agile is a manifesto that I don't think should have ever become whatever people think it is today , its sort of become this Scrumish thing with consultants that

agile is a manifesto that I don't think should have ever become whatever people think it is today , its sort of become this Scrumish thing with consultants that try to sell faux zen like wisdom. Some of the silly thought experiments that were getting done on the email lists about how "extreme" we could take things that were done around the early 2000s have now become weird dogma. It's just a mess. I think part of the problem is that some of the core philosophy that people like Kent Beck were trying to capture and communicate was actually quite nuanced and subtle that it simply got lost in the noise of the new "Agile Industry" that quickly latched onto blunt and concrete rules about how to do things and a lot of things seemed lost and diluted over time.