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First response: This sounds good, maybe I should consider Apple for my next device? Second response: Was undermining Google the reason he held the speech in th

First response: This sounds good, maybe I should consider Apple for my next device? Second response: Was undermining Google the reason he held the speech in the first place?

blinky1456 8y ago
Also my first response, 'is this just marketing?'. 'Buy apple products, we care about your data. We will help protect it. Encrypt it. Not share it. And block others form trying to get your data' But are Apple as benevolent as they say? Do you trust such a gigantic corporation? Are they colluding with governments instead of just advertisers?
- Cthulhu_ 8y ago
  You can assume they have to cooperate with the US government at least, that's what Snowden risked his life for to share with us. The question you have to ask yourself is whether you care about that. I can see a near future internal conflict / civil war happening in the US though, in which case having the government - potentially your adversary - know everything about you is a bad thing.
- CaptainZapp 8y ago
  Let's put it this way: Apples' core business is not to violate your privacy left and right, which probably gives them an edge about the likes of Facebook and Google (at least in my book) in this sphere.
- theshrike79 8y ago
  Apple makes their money by selling expensive premium devices. They don't earn anything from selling your personal information or data about your usage patterns. Google on the other hand, is an advertising company that also makes software and a smartphone OS among others.
simion314 8y ago
I hope Google will at least analyze the idea of privacy, analyze what data they collect and if all of it needs to be collected or kept, when someone suggests let's collect everything there(and in other companies) should be some debate there before is implemented.
- nyxtom 8y ago
  This ^. There are plenty of ways to build products that don’t require you to prey on your users just so you can have a lot more analytical profiling.
- EastSmith 8y ago
  We now know the cost of mobile privacy from Google's EU pricing. They should just add it as a feature: "Privacy - $40".
  - simion314 8y ago
    Or we could get asked Do you want the google store(40$), the amazon store(x$), other free store(0$) ?
- harryf 8y ago
  Google sets a pretty good standard over at https://myactivity.google.com/ https://myactivity.google.com/ IMO. But yeah the whole passive data collection e.g Wifi networks done the Street View cars, as one example, bears scrutiny. Likewise Android
  - mediumdeviation 8y ago
    How do you know that that's actually all data Google holds on you? Facebook has a shadow profile for every one of its users, one whose contents you cannot access. There's no technical reason Google can't build one, and they have been deceptive in how they collect your information in the past https://apnews.com/ef95c6a91eeb4d8e9dda9cad887bf211 https://apnews.com/ef95c6a91eeb4d8e9dda9cad887bf211
akuji1993 8y ago
Before you consider Apple as your next device provider, remember that they right now are completely shutting down third party repairs of their devices. Also Apple's own "repair method" is to tell you that it's broken, without so much as opening the case and just replacing any component that seems to act up, costing you up to the device's original price in repair fees.
- sbuk 8y ago
  What's this got to do with privacy?
  - akuji1993 8y ago
    If I want to purchase a device, I'm going to take more into consideration than just the privacy policy of the company.. One of the important factors is, what happens with my device, when it's broken?
    - sbuk 8y ago
      It is either fully repaired/remanufactured and resold/used in a swap out, stripped for parts for repair/remanufacturing or totally recycled by Apple. The "It's broke, here is a new one" IMHO is convenient for the consumer having their mobile device repaired. They're not having to wait around for hours/days while the repair is done. IME, Apple only really swap for total hardware failure or screen replacement on the X series iPhone.
      - akuji1993 8y ago
        If the "It's broke here is a new one" is accompanied by a bill for another $1500 I'm not so sure, I as a customer will be happy...
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    Having to go to an Apple certified retailer prevents one from privately modifying or repairing ones device. Apple gets to know about every repair / modification done to your device.
jhabdas 8y ago
Last response: Everything is fine just listen to the sweet words of Vienna Teng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ttTf8N7Bwg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ttTf8N7Bwg

First response: This sounds good, maybe I should consider Apple for my next device? Second response: Was undermining Google the reason he held the speech in the first place?

blinky1456 8y ago

Also my first response, 'is this just marketing?'. 'Buy apple products, we care about your data. We will help protect it. Encrypt it. Not share it. And block others form trying to get your data' But are Apple as benevolent as they say? Do you trust such a gigantic corporation? Are they colluding with governments instead of just advertisers?

Cthulhu_ 8y ago
You can assume they have to cooperate with the US government at least, that's what Snowden risked his life for to share with us. The question you have to ask yourself is whether you care about that. I can see a near future internal conflict / civil war happening in the US though, in which case having the government - potentially your adversary - know everything about you is a bad thing.
CaptainZapp 8y ago
Let's put it this way: Apples' core business is not to violate your privacy left and right, which probably gives them an edge about the likes of Facebook and Google (at least in my book) in this sphere.
theshrike79 8y ago
Apple makes their money by selling expensive premium devices. They don't earn anything from selling your personal information or data about your usage patterns. Google on the other hand, is an advertising company that also makes software and a smartphone OS among others.

simion314 8y ago

I hope Google will at least analyze the idea of privacy, analyze what data they collect and if all of it needs to be collected or kept, when someone suggests let's collect everything there(and in other companies) should be some debate there before is implemented.

nyxtom 8y ago
This ^. There are plenty of ways to build products that don’t require you to prey on your users just so you can have a lot more analytical profiling.
EastSmith 8y ago
We now know the cost of mobile privacy from Google's EU pricing. They should just add it as a feature: "Privacy - $40".
- simion314 8y ago
  Or we could get asked Do you want the google store(40$), the amazon store(x$), other free store(0$) ?
harryf 8y ago
Google sets a pretty good standard over at https://myactivity.google.com/ https://myactivity.google.com/ IMO. But yeah the whole passive data collection e.g Wifi networks done the Street View cars, as one example, bears scrutiny. Likewise Android
- mediumdeviation 8y ago
  How do you know that that's actually all data Google holds on you? Facebook has a shadow profile for every one of its users, one whose contents you cannot access. There's no technical reason Google can't build one, and they have been deceptive in how they collect your information in the past https://apnews.com/ef95c6a91eeb4d8e9dda9cad887bf211 https://apnews.com/ef95c6a91eeb4d8e9dda9cad887bf211

akuji1993 8y ago

Before you consider Apple as your next device provider, remember that they right now are completely shutting down third party repairs of their devices. Also Apple's own "repair method" is to tell you that it's broken, without so much as opening the case and just replacing any component that seems to act up, costing you up to the device's original price in repair fees.

sbuk 8y ago
What's this got to do with privacy?
- akuji1993 8y ago
  If I want to purchase a device, I'm going to take more into consideration than just the privacy policy of the company.. One of the important factors is, what happens with my device, when it's broken?
  - sbuk 8y ago
    It is either fully repaired/remanufactured and resold/used in a swap out, stripped for parts for repair/remanufacturing or totally recycled by Apple. The "It's broke, here is a new one" IMHO is convenient for the consumer having their mobile device repaired. They're not having to wait around for hours/days while the repair is done. IME, Apple only really swap for total hardware failure or screen replacement on the X series iPhone.
    - akuji1993 8y ago
      If the "It's broke here is a new one" is accompanied by a bill for another $1500 I'm not so sure, I as a customer will be happy...
- huffmsa 8y ago
  Having to go to an Apple certified retailer prevents one from privately modifying or repairing ones device. Apple gets to know about every repair / modification done to your device.

jhabdas 8y ago

Last response: Everything is fine just listen to the sweet words of Vienna Teng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ttTf8N7Bwg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ttTf8N7Bwg