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Having been party to stuff like this before, absolutely this. There are people at Amazon and Apple that know and are participating in an investigation. The vas

by dsl 8y ago

Having been party to stuff like this before, absolutely this. There are people at Amazon and Apple that know and are participating in an investigation. The vast majority of people (including almost all executives) don't know. Amazon's denial for example came from the CISO of AWS (who is a VP), not Michael Cava the CSO of Amazon itself (who is an officer of the company) and the most likely person to be handling the situation.

Pyxl101 8y ago
Amazon's denial also came from Amazon Web Services CEO Andy Jassy, who wrote: > @tim_cook is right. Bloomberg story is wrong about Amazon, too. They offered no proof, story kept changing, and showed no interest in our answers unless we could validate their theories. Reporters got played or took liberties. Bloomberg should retract. https://twitter.com/ajassy/status/1054401346827243520 https://twitter.com/ajassy/status/1054401346827243520 Given that the alleged incident concerned Amazon Web Services, I would hesitate to make the assumption that anyone knows more or would be more involved than AWS's CEO and CISO. Of course, you can accuse them of lying, but it seems unreasonable that they would both somehow not know. I don't know much about Michael Cava but I'd guess from his LinkedIn job description that he's involved in Amazon.com security specifically and not AWS. He is not listed as an officer or director in the investor relations website: https://ir.aboutamazon.com/board-of-directors https://ir.aboutamazon.com/board-of-directors while Jassy is. Cava's job as he described it on LinkedIn sounds like it involves retail operations security, and not AWS data center security: > Serve as the Chief Security Officer for Worldwide Operations and Customer Service. Lead a team of security, loss prevention, inventory control and business continuity professionals providing physical security design standards, access control management, loss prevention and shrink reduction programs, inventory quality assurance, crisis management and investigative services in support of Amazon's global fulfillment, logistics, delivery and retail operations. (emphasis mine)
yvdriess 8y ago
I assume that only the execs with (plausible) deniability can do the denial.

by dsl 8y ago

Pyxl101 8y ago

Amazon's denial also came from Amazon Web Services CEO Andy Jassy, who wrote: > @tim_cook is right. Bloomberg story is wrong about Amazon, too. They offered no proof, story kept changing, and showed no interest in our answers unless we could validate their theories. Reporters got played or took liberties. Bloomberg should retract. https://twitter.com/ajassy/status/1054401346827243520 https://twitter.com/ajassy/status/1054401346827243520 Given that the alleged incident concerned Amazon Web Services, I would hesitate to make the assumption that anyone knows more or would be more involved than AWS's CEO and CISO. Of course, you can accuse them of lying, but it seems unreasonable that they would both somehow not know. I don't know much about Michael Cava but I'd guess from his LinkedIn job description that he's involved in Amazon.com security specifically and not AWS. He is not listed as an officer or director in the investor relations website: https://ir.aboutamazon.com/board-of-directors https://ir.aboutamazon.com/board-of-directors while Jassy is. Cava's job as he described it on LinkedIn sounds like it involves retail operations security, and not AWS data center security: > Serve as the Chief Security Officer for Worldwide Operations and Customer Service. Lead a team of security, loss prevention, inventory control and business continuity professionals providing physical security design standards, access control management, loss prevention and shrink reduction programs, inventory quality assurance, crisis management and investigative services in support of Amazon's global fulfillment, logistics, delivery and retail operations. (emphasis mine)

yvdriess 8y ago

I assume that only the execs with (plausible) deniability can do the denial.