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Not at all - and Larry has been working on perl6 for years, so the people behind vanilla perl5 are a different group again. The perl11 people are mostly disgru

by mst 8y ago

Not at all - and Larry has been working on perl6 for years, so the people behind vanilla perl5 are a different group again. The perl11 people are mostly disgruntled kooks who got kicked out of perl5/perl6 development after yelling at everybody for not instantly believing everything they said. Meanwhile, actual perl5 and rakudo continue to progress.

willthechill 8y ago
This claim by mst is patently false. While it may be true that some people in the Perl community disagree with Reini Urban (AKA rurban, creator of cperl and co-founder of Perl 11), by no means does Reini alone constitute "most" of the Perl 11 team. In fact, Reini is only 1/3 of the co-founding Perl 11 team, which includes Ingy döt Net and myself. At this time, we have a significantly larger number of people involved in various Perl 11 projects, including my own RPerl compiler. SO LET'S BE CLEAR! mst does NOT speak for the Perl community in any official way, and his opinion is (in this case) grossly inaccurate.
pawelmurias 8y ago
Aren't the perl11 projects an umbrella name for a bunch of different projects? A large part of them aren't done by disgruntled kooks. Only rurban seems to have some bad blood with parts of the Perl 6 community after his claims about threads that don't interact with each others where mocked as magical by people who didn't notice what he was trying to sell.
- rurban 8y ago
  It was niner's project. His threads project was being wrongly attacked, and nobody cared. It was a very strange and calculated attack, when they launched their competing VM. I completely agreed with most of the criticism. But I still think lockless threading would be great to have, as waiting for locks by far outnumbers all CPU disadvantages with the broken parrot calling convention and general problems there. People are still fond of Erlang also, and parrot threading model and implementation is much better than Erlang threads or Go threads and everything else but Pony's. It's no bad blood though. Hype-driven development has it's place, see rust and javascript. Throwing away unique technical advantages for pure marketing reasons to unite the community against someone else didn't go fine with me. It was no vilification as in p5p though. It was just silly.

by mst 8y ago

willthechill 8y ago

This claim by mst is patently false. While it may be true that some people in the Perl community disagree with Reini Urban (AKA rurban, creator of cperl and co-founder of Perl 11), by no means does Reini alone constitute "most" of the Perl 11 team. In fact, Reini is only 1/3 of the co-founding Perl 11 team, which includes Ingy döt Net and myself. At this time, we have a significantly larger number of people involved in various Perl 11 projects, including my own RPerl compiler. SO LET'S BE CLEAR! mst does NOT speak for the Perl community in any official way, and his opinion is (in this case) grossly inaccurate.

pawelmurias 8y ago

Aren't the perl11 projects an umbrella name for a bunch of different projects? A large part of them aren't done by disgruntled kooks. Only rurban seems to have some bad blood with parts of the Perl 6 community after his claims about threads that don't interact with each others where mocked as magical by people who didn't notice what he was trying to sell.

rurban 8y ago
It was niner's project. His threads project was being wrongly attacked, and nobody cared. It was a very strange and calculated attack, when they launched their competing VM. I completely agreed with most of the criticism. But I still think lockless threading would be great to have, as waiting for locks by far outnumbers all CPU disadvantages with the broken parrot calling convention and general problems there. People are still fond of Erlang also, and parrot threading model and implementation is much better than Erlang threads or Go threads and everything else but Pony's. It's no bad blood though. Hype-driven development has it's place, see rust and javascript. Throwing away unique technical advantages for pure marketing reasons to unite the community against someone else didn't go fine with me. It was no vilification as in p5p though. It was just silly.