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OK. This is a throaway account, I'm a Software Engineer with 10 years of experience working in Madrid. Currently head of development of a 5-people team. This is
by whatever_user 8y ago
OK. This is a throaway account, I'm a Software Engineer with 10 years of experience working in Madrid. Currently head of development of a 5-people team. This is my advice, take it if you want.
# About failing in University
Failing some semesters in Ingeniería Informática (Computer Science in Spanish universities for our English speaking friends) is normal. Nobody pass the exams on the first try but:
- People with extensive Math experience (not my case).
- People that study like all day (my case).
- Gifted people (sadly also not my case).
So, you're not less than anybody. From I remember, the average time the students spent to achieve the degree was like 7-9 years. I spent 5 + 1/2 years (I know I'm old and our degrees were 5 years) but had no social life (apart from my girlfriend) and ended the degree with a anxiety, depression, stress... Let's say my mental health was deficient.
In recent years the degree has improved and Software Engineering degree (at least in Madrid) has more practice classes and has less theoretical content.
# About lying, depression, seen a psychologist
Everything you have written is normal. You are not a freak or are damaged, stupid or whatever deleterious thing you think about yourself. You were unprepared for one of the most difficult degrees in Spain. High School is a joke and (during my time) nobody had enough foundations to pass the tests without private teachers help or without studying very hard. You are most of people.
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but do not lie, be a man and accept what you are and the consequences of your actions.
You think you are not smart? Do you think that everybody that is successful is smart? They work like hell and work in a smart way (like checking old tests of a subject when studying).
What are you passioned about?
During recent times when I'm low of morale I like to read "Marcus Aurelius Meditations" [1] and watch motivational videos [2][3][4][5] (funny isn't it? But it works). Once you know in your inner-self that your life is ephemeral and you are destined to greatness, you'll start working.
I visited two psychologist for years after university (and other health issues that depressed me). It helped me to gain confidence and believe in myself. Also, how to be organized and to know that I was not crazy and that my feelings were normal.
# Study/Work/Etc.
Have two plans: short-term and long-term. My advice would be:
## Short term
Study your vocational degree and do some projects on the side. Useful projects that motivate you. Try to start working at a job as soon as you end your studies (if you can, choose a "dual FP" (FP with emphasis in real work practices).
Hop each year or two years until you are earning enough money to live a comfortable life. Now the hard part starts.
## Long term
During your short term period you have discovered:
- You crave for understanding of the foundations of software.
- You have a glass ceiling if you don't have an University degree.
Do not panic. Enroll in a distance university (UNED is fine, Universidad de Burgos seems easier but more expensive, etc.) and take some courses each year. You'll graduate in like 7-8 years. I know you'll have to make sacrifices like studying in the summer and in the weekends but keep the good work. When you graduate you'll have enough real-work experience to double your salary and from now on, increase each year or couple of years.
Move to where the work is, i.e. Madrid.
# Corolarium
I hope I've helped you, or at least I've given you something to think about.
If you want more advice or need to talk about your future, I'm available at whateveruserhn@gmail.com.
[1] https://www.amazon.es/Meditaciones-Serie-Great-Ideas-12/dp/8430601031/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0/261-2454397-0152026?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=NPRB7HDKWJWWEDM7CK30 https://www.amazon.es/Meditaciones-Serie-Great-Ideas-12/dp/8...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFalmesXWMY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFalmesXWMY
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjejTQdK5OI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjejTQdK5OI
[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21FHc9hN-WI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21FHc9hN-WI
[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abeAA6Apt80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abeAA6Apt80
- SpanishConf 8y agoPerdón por no haberte contestado antes. Acabo de leer todo lo que has escrito y lo he intentado comprender bien leyéndolo de manera atenta. Gracias por haber respondido al hilo :) >So, you're not less than anybody. From I remember, the average time the students spent to achieve the degree was like 7-9 years. I spent 5 + 1/2 years (I know I'm old and our degrees were 5 years) but had no social life (apart from my girlfriend) and ended the degree with a anxiety, depression, stress... Let's say my mental health was deficient. Jajaja, entonces ni teníais el plan bolonia, sí que eres viejuno de verdad ;) En fin, me he leído todo lo que me has escrito. «Acepto» tus consejos, excepto dos. 1. Lo de irme a vivir a Madrid. A ver, no sé si me explico, soy valenciano, estuve una vez en Madrid hace poco y no me gustó mucho, la verdad, en todo caso creo que hay según tengo entendido bastante trabajo en la area metropolitana de Valencia así que primero de todo empezaría por ir a buscar trabajo de por aquí más cerquita. 2. A día de hoy tengo pensado hacer un FP en DAW or DAM primero de todo, antes de pensar en «volver» a la universidad o lo que sea. ¿Piensas que el FP sería un error para mi? Bueno, muchas gracias por todo otra vez, y me cuesta pero estoy intentando de cualquier manera, ya desde hace 4 meses, aceptar que es normal (y según recuerdo se da en el 60% de los casos) que me haya dejado la carrera de i. informática, aunque de verdad sea una putada muy grande. Lo peor de todo es que sabía perfectamente que esto en su momento ya me podía pasar y tal, pero nunca tomé las medidas adecuadas para prevenir lo evitable.
- whatever_user 8y agoHola otra vez. 1. Sobre Madrid Quizás no fui lo suficientemente claro, moverte a Madrid podría ser cuanto ya tuvieras experiencia y el título de grado muy avanzado o casi terminado. Valencia tiene un parque empresarial bueno y para empezar está bien. Madrid es una ciudad que es un poco inhóspita si no eres "nativo" de aquí. Yo mismo soy de otro sitio, pero te puedo asegurar que la oferta de empleo es 1000 veces la que hay en otros sitios (nos guste o no) y de mejor calidad dupliqué mi salario al venir aquí (los precios no son el doble, salvo la vivienda). Luego tiene cosas muy buenas, como decenas de meetups de tecnologías variadas, barrios culturales, etc. Tiene su encanto. 2. Sobre la FP Hacer un FP no es un error, de hecho, creo que es el "camino natural", pero en cuanto termines, ten cuenta que vas a tener un techo de cristal en cuanto a conocimientos, salario y ubicación (ver punto 1). Por lo tanto, tienes que tener una meta a largo plazo, que podría ser hacer el grado poco a poco. Y ahora, mi consejo: sobre lo de "lamentarse"... Ojalá sirviera de algo, pero no es así. No eres el único al que le pasa esto y es completamente normal. Tienes que aprender de tus errores y tratar de no volver a cometerlos. Anímate, ponte las pilas con el ciclo formativo de FP y cuando domines varias tecnologías y tengas unos años de experiencia laboral intentas la universidad otra vez. Como te digo, ánimo y ten en cuenta que esto es una carrera de resistencia más que de velocidad y el primer paso lo tienes (darte cuenta de que has fallado y en qué, parece obvio pero es lo más importante) ;)