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I was a bit disappointed recently watching First Man. I get that Neil was a private person, but it was a little too over-dramatic (towards his personal life, no

I was a bit disappointed recently watching First Man. I get that Neil was a private person, but it was a little too over-dramatic (towards his personal life, not the space program) in my opinion. It seemed like an extrovert's wild speculation as to what's going on in an introvert's head. I think he was just a stoic, analytical type, which doesn't mean you need to be completely incapable of communicating emotionally with your kids or SO.

unethical_ban 8y ago
I haven't watched it yet, though being from Clear Lake, I have a particular interest in space fact and fiction. I was disappointed to see Ryan Gosling associated with the project; it looked like he was playing his character from "Drive" as an astronaut. He does "super quiet person" really well, but it didn't look like Neil Armstrong, it looked like Ryan Gosling goes to space.
- class_struggle 8y ago
  I thought he did a good job in First Man. There is definitely some nuance between his character in Drive and First Man. Gosling is a really good actor, imo.
twothumbsup 8y ago
I think the movie overall was okay but I just could not stand the overuse of shaky-cam in it. It's like they edited it specifically to be shown in those D-Box seats. Like, I understand that rocket launches are pretty shaky endeavors, but to be using the shaky cam in the _kitchen_ was just way over the top.
- dblohm7 8y ago
  Yep. The only time the camera was stable was on the lunar surface itself.
  - ingenieros 8y ago
    Polygon had a really interesting article about the use of different film formats (IMAX, Super 16mm, 35mm) in order to convey different emotions in the viewer. https://www.polygon.com/2018/10/14/17971246/first-man-imax-damien-chazelle-moon-landing https://www.polygon.com/2018/10/14/17971246/first-man-imax-d...
    - macintux 8y ago
      As much as Indianapolis feels a bit like a backwater, having one of the few true IMAX theaters has been such a great experience. Being able to see Dunkirk on that screen would have been worth driving hours for.
      - twothumbsup 8y ago
        Definitely, I was able to see Interstellar at the one in the state museum -- I haven't rewatched it since because nothing could compare to that experience.
    - joshvm 8y ago
      Overall production was great. There was very little noticeable CGI, they used miniatures extensively and all the in-aircraft shots were filmed in motion-simulators in front of a massive LED wall that apparently made most of the crew ill. Gosling was even coached by an X-15 pilot on what buttons to push during filming. https://youtu.be/wZEcwrBcqGs?t=42 https://youtu.be/wZEcwrBcqGs?t=42 (see also about 8:40)
- sephamorr 8y ago
  I watched it with some friends (all of us SpaceX engineers), and our universal comment on the way out was "so about those crazy [vibration] levels..."
jessriedel 8y ago
Armstrong's sons consulted on the movie and said it basically came out true to life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwAAWLO55-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwAAWLO55-I
fossuser 8y ago
That just seems like the only role Ryan Gosling ever plays - I don't think he ever has more than a page of dialog in any of the movies I've seen with him (though the love interests are always throwing themselves at him anyway).
- nikanj 8y ago
  One can easily see why they picked him to play a replicant in the Blade Runner remake. Apparently you can also pretend he's a replicant in all his other movies, and it often works out pretty well. Drive for example would make perfect sense with his character being an unwitting replicant.
  - fossuser 8y ago
    Not sure if this also follows for Blue Valentine or Lars and the Real Girl.
- cc81 8y ago
  Watch The Nice Guys (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3799694/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3799694/), it is excellent.
  - Quekid5 8y ago
    It was an incredible comedic performance. (By his co-stars too, btw, but he carried a lot of the film, I felt.). Also an overall very funny movie. I'm not sure exactly how much of Graham Norton is scripted, but he's had at least a couple of amazing appearances on that. (It's a bit of an edge case, but I'd argue that it qualifies as 'acting' even if only slightly so.) EDIT: I gained a lot of respect for him -- as an actor -- after NG. I'm told comedy is one of those things that it's really hard to do well.
  - fossuser 8y ago
    Thanks - definitely looks like a movie that I’d like, I’ll check it out.
- ambicapter 8y ago
ronnier 8y ago
Recently watched and enjoyed it though I had some issues with it. 1) shaky cam was very annoying. 2) I thought there was way to much focus on his wife and would have rather more focus on the space program.
slg 8y ago
It seems like Armstrong just isn't that interesting of a movie character. There is nothing wrong with that and isn't meant to take anything away from his accomplishments. No one lives their life with a goal that their biopic will be interesting. It just makes me wonder why this movie needed to exist in the first place. There are plenty of better stories to tell about the space program if you are determined to make a movie about that.
- melling 8y ago
  Landing on the moon seems like a pretty interesting story.
  - slg 8y ago
    I agree, but First Man is not a story about landing on the moon. It is a story about Neil Armstrong. The movie focuses on a piece of the story that is inherently less interesting than the stuff going on in the periphery.
    - tabtab 8y ago
      I'm sure there were some interesting office politics and battle-of-wills going on in the general space program during the stress to reach Kennedy's "decade" goal.
    - phs318u 8y ago
      I disagree that "Armstrong the human being" is less interesting. It's just differently interesting. I felt the movie gave great insight into the man (acknowledging that his family were consulted), and also into how particular personality types are more suited to certain jobs than you might at think at first glance.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      There have been countless movies, TV specials, books and whatnot about men going into space and landing on the moon. It's interesting to finally hear the backstories of who these men really were. "First Man" hadn't really showed up on my radar until today but after reading some of the comments here it's shot straight to the top of my "to watch" list!
isomorph 8y ago
I absolutely loved the film and thought it was an incredible piece of art and a piercingly realistic depiction of a certain VERY REAL type of masculinity. You're lucky that you find it unbelievable / overdramatic. Anyway, when I was a kid I used to love seeing those burnt capsules in the Science Museum in London. So crazy to see the story rendered to beautifully, along with the politics, the oxygen fires, the bouncing off the atmosphere... I couldn't have asked for anything more. I thought his portrayal was a realistic vision of the pitfalls of masculinity, and not melodramatic at all. My dad's like that, except he smiles instead of having the blank Gosling face. My dad didn't cry even at his own mother's funeral. Seeing Gosling/Armstrong closing up the notebooks where he'd been trying to figure out how to cure his daughter's brain cancer, seeing him cover his face to cry silently, seeing him snap at his friend "Do you think I left there because I wanted to talk?", his fear of his emotions... It was just so true to life. I cried multiple times in that film. Of course films are always a bit romanticised - I have to say at no point was the illusion broken for me. I think that film gets into my top 3 films along with Gattaca and The Matrix. I love Drive but it was really Blade Runner 2049 that made me realise that his "silent" roles are actually a deceptively simple comment of the state of masculinity, kind of like American Psycho (film > book IMO - interestingly the screenwriter of the film was a woman and the directory of the film was a woman, and the film & book are a critique of that version of masculinity). Also Ryan's performance in The Big Short made me realise that he is CHOOSING to do his "silent" stuff when he does. He's a very talented actor.
- burfog 8y ago
  Some of us can spot it. In the Apollo 13 movie, I could tell the real dialog (recorded in history) from the fake dialog. The big failure was right after the explosion. There was a desire to show the level of stress at that time, so the script writers had the astronauts be antagonistic toward each other and generally unproductive. As I watched that, I instantly saw a bunch of wimpy unstable Hollywood types instead of carefully screened professional test pilots. The intro dialog was also really forced, and the historical dialog contradicted the direction that rockets were fired when returning.
  - isomorph 8y ago
benbreen 8y ago
I see where you're coming from, but personally I really appreciated the depiction of an introverted main character. Also both of his sons were consultants on the film and apparently supplied part of the dialogue and tone for the scene where he talks to them before leaving for Apollo 11 [1], so that part of his relationship to his family, at least, seems pretty accurate to me. One thing I remain curious about is how serving in the Korean War shaped the psychology of that first crop of astronauts. And I would LOVE to watch a movie with the budget and talent of First Man, but about Yuri Gagarin or Valentina Tereshkova. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/.../first-man-ryan-gosling-claire-foy-damien-chazelle.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/.../first-man-ryan-gosling-clai...
ColinWright 8y ago
Armstrong's son says[0] it's a good film. You can search for interviews to see what the people closest to Armstrong himself say. [0] https://variety.com/2018/scene/news/first-man-astronauts-wives-heroic-as-their-husbands-neil-armstrongs-son-1202968668/ https://variety.com/2018/scene/news/first-man-astronauts-wiv...
sndean 8y ago
> I get that Neil was a private person, but it was a little too over-dramatic I don't know. My granddad [0] told me a story about being pinned against a wall and screamed at by Armstrong because he allowed little kids to hang around and ask for autographs at a NASA event. Armstrong was not only overly private, he was also apparently really bothered by the small industry that developed selling things that he (Buzz Aldrin / Mike Collins) signed. In contrast, others like Jimmy Doolittle, would supposedly talk to you for hours on end about NASA/WWII/whatever. [0] some high-level guy at NASA in the 70-80s
- C1sc0cat 8y ago
  When he visited the Uk base of a company (Eaton - where my dad worked) he was a director - there where instructions not to talk to him about his time in NASA.

unethical_ban 8y ago

I haven't watched it yet, though being from Clear Lake, I have a particular interest in space fact and fiction. I was disappointed to see Ryan Gosling associated with the project; it looked like he was playing his character from "Drive" as an astronaut. He does "super quiet person" really well, but it didn't look like Neil Armstrong, it looked like Ryan Gosling goes to space.

class_struggle 8y ago
I thought he did a good job in First Man. There is definitely some nuance between his character in Drive and First Man. Gosling is a really good actor, imo.

twothumbsup 8y ago

I think the movie overall was okay but I just could not stand the overuse of shaky-cam in it. It's like they edited it specifically to be shown in those D-Box seats. Like, I understand that rocket launches are pretty shaky endeavors, but to be using the shaky cam in the _kitchen_ was just way over the top.

dblohm7 8y ago
Yep. The only time the camera was stable was on the lunar surface itself.
- ingenieros 8y ago
  Polygon had a really interesting article about the use of different film formats (IMAX, Super 16mm, 35mm) in order to convey different emotions in the viewer. https://www.polygon.com/2018/10/14/17971246/first-man-imax-damien-chazelle-moon-landing https://www.polygon.com/2018/10/14/17971246/first-man-imax-d...
  - macintux 8y ago
    As much as Indianapolis feels a bit like a backwater, having one of the few true IMAX theaters has been such a great experience. Being able to see Dunkirk on that screen would have been worth driving hours for.
    - twothumbsup 8y ago
      Definitely, I was able to see Interstellar at the one in the state museum -- I haven't rewatched it since because nothing could compare to that experience.
  - joshvm 8y ago
    Overall production was great. There was very little noticeable CGI, they used miniatures extensively and all the in-aircraft shots were filmed in motion-simulators in front of a massive LED wall that apparently made most of the crew ill. Gosling was even coached by an X-15 pilot on what buttons to push during filming. https://youtu.be/wZEcwrBcqGs?t=42 https://youtu.be/wZEcwrBcqGs?t=42 (see also about 8:40)
sephamorr 8y ago
I watched it with some friends (all of us SpaceX engineers), and our universal comment on the way out was "so about those crazy [vibration] levels..."

jessriedel 8y ago

Armstrong's sons consulted on the movie and said it basically came out true to life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwAAWLO55-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwAAWLO55-I

fossuser 8y ago

That just seems like the only role Ryan Gosling ever plays - I don't think he ever has more than a page of dialog in any of the movies I've seen with him (though the love interests are always throwing themselves at him anyway).

nikanj 8y ago
One can easily see why they picked him to play a replicant in the Blade Runner remake. Apparently you can also pretend he's a replicant in all his other movies, and it often works out pretty well. Drive for example would make perfect sense with his character being an unwitting replicant.
- fossuser 8y ago
  Not sure if this also follows for Blue Valentine or Lars and the Real Girl.
cc81 8y ago
Watch The Nice Guys (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3799694/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3799694/), it is excellent.
- Quekid5 8y ago
  It was an incredible comedic performance. (By his co-stars too, btw, but he carried a lot of the film, I felt.). Also an overall very funny movie. I'm not sure exactly how much of Graham Norton is scripted, but he's had at least a couple of amazing appearances on that. (It's a bit of an edge case, but I'd argue that it qualifies as 'acting' even if only slightly so.) EDIT: I gained a lot of respect for him -- as an actor -- after NG. I'm told comedy is one of those things that it's really hard to do well.
- fossuser 8y ago
  Thanks - definitely looks like a movie that I’d like, I’ll check it out.
ambicapter 8y ago

ronnier 8y ago

Recently watched and enjoyed it though I had some issues with it. 1) shaky cam was very annoying. 2) I thought there was way to much focus on his wife and would have rather more focus on the space program.

slg 8y ago

It seems like Armstrong just isn't that interesting of a movie character. There is nothing wrong with that and isn't meant to take anything away from his accomplishments. No one lives their life with a goal that their biopic will be interesting. It just makes me wonder why this movie needed to exist in the first place. There are plenty of better stories to tell about the space program if you are determined to make a movie about that.

melling 8y ago
Landing on the moon seems like a pretty interesting story.
- slg 8y ago
  I agree, but First Man is not a story about landing on the moon. It is a story about Neil Armstrong. The movie focuses on a piece of the story that is inherently less interesting than the stuff going on in the periphery.
  - tabtab 8y ago
    I'm sure there were some interesting office politics and battle-of-wills going on in the general space program during the stress to reach Kennedy's "decade" goal.
  - phs318u 8y ago
    I disagree that "Armstrong the human being" is less interesting. It's just differently interesting. I felt the movie gave great insight into the man (acknowledging that his family were consulted), and also into how particular personality types are more suited to certain jobs than you might at think at first glance.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    There have been countless movies, TV specials, books and whatnot about men going into space and landing on the moon. It's interesting to finally hear the backstories of who these men really were. "First Man" hadn't really showed up on my radar until today but after reading some of the comments here it's shot straight to the top of my "to watch" list!

isomorph 8y ago

I absolutely loved the film and thought it was an incredible piece of art and a piercingly realistic depiction of a certain VERY REAL type of masculinity. You're lucky that you find it unbelievable / overdramatic. Anyway, when I was a kid I used to love seeing those burnt capsules in the Science Museum in London. So crazy to see the story rendered to beautifully, along with the politics, the oxygen fires, the bouncing off the atmosphere... I couldn't have asked for anything more. I thought his portrayal was a realistic vision of the pitfalls of masculinity, and not melodramatic at all. My dad's like that, except he smiles instead of having the blank Gosling face. My dad didn't cry even at his own mother's funeral. Seeing Gosling/Armstrong closing up the notebooks where he'd been trying to figure out how to cure his daughter's brain cancer, seeing him cover his face to cry silently, seeing him snap at his friend "Do you think I left there because I wanted to talk?", his fear of his emotions... It was just so true to life. I cried multiple times in that film. Of course films are always a bit romanticised - I have to say at no point was the illusion broken for me. I think that film gets into my top 3 films along with Gattaca and The Matrix. I love Drive but it was really Blade Runner 2049 that made me realise that his "silent" roles are actually a deceptively simple comment of the state of masculinity, kind of like American Psycho (film > book IMO - interestingly the screenwriter of the film was a woman and the directory of the film was a woman, and the film & book are a critique of that version of masculinity). Also Ryan's performance in The Big Short made me realise that he is CHOOSING to do his "silent" stuff when he does. He's a very talented actor.

burfog 8y ago
Some of us can spot it. In the Apollo 13 movie, I could tell the real dialog (recorded in history) from the fake dialog. The big failure was right after the explosion. There was a desire to show the level of stress at that time, so the script writers had the astronauts be antagonistic toward each other and generally unproductive. As I watched that, I instantly saw a bunch of wimpy unstable Hollywood types instead of carefully screened professional test pilots. The intro dialog was also really forced, and the historical dialog contradicted the direction that rockets were fired when returning.
- isomorph 8y ago

benbreen 8y ago

I see where you're coming from, but personally I really appreciated the depiction of an introverted main character. Also both of his sons were consultants on the film and apparently supplied part of the dialogue and tone for the scene where he talks to them before leaving for Apollo 11 [1], so that part of his relationship to his family, at least, seems pretty accurate to me. One thing I remain curious about is how serving in the Korean War shaped the psychology of that first crop of astronauts. And I would LOVE to watch a movie with the budget and talent of First Man, but about Yuri Gagarin or Valentina Tereshkova. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/.../first-man-ryan-gosling-claire-foy-damien-chazelle.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/.../first-man-ryan-gosling-clai...

ColinWright 8y ago

Armstrong's son says[0] it's a good film. You can search for interviews to see what the people closest to Armstrong himself say. [0] https://variety.com/2018/scene/news/first-man-astronauts-wives-heroic-as-their-husbands-neil-armstrongs-son-1202968668/ https://variety.com/2018/scene/news/first-man-astronauts-wiv...

sndean 8y ago

> I get that Neil was a private person, but it was a little too over-dramatic I don't know. My granddad [0] told me a story about being pinned against a wall and screamed at by Armstrong because he allowed little kids to hang around and ask for autographs at a NASA event. Armstrong was not only overly private, he was also apparently really bothered by the small industry that developed selling things that he (Buzz Aldrin / Mike Collins) signed. In contrast, others like Jimmy Doolittle, would supposedly talk to you for hours on end about NASA/WWII/whatever. [0] some high-level guy at NASA in the 70-80s

C1sc0cat 8y ago
When he visited the Uk base of a company (Eaton - where my dad worked) he was a director - there where instructions not to talk to him about his time in NASA.