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> 4K is still the "storm on the horizon" that no one's graphics cards are truly ready for in an affordable way. I wouldn't call it a "storm on the horizon". I

by gknoy 8y ago

> 4K is still the "storm on the horizon" that no one's graphics cards are truly ready for in an affordable way. I wouldn't call it a "storm on the horizon". I am fortunate to have a GTX 1070. If I turn off anti-aliasing, 4k at 60hz seems to work perfectly well in just about every game I've played. (Older steam games like Deus Ex:HR and Dishonored, HotS, WoW, Mechwarrior...). Most things are built with antialiasing at 1080p in mind, and running it at 4k (without FSAA) seems to be similar workload.

013a 8y ago
That's arguable. Even the RTX 2080Ti, the most powerful consumer graphics card on the planet at $800, barely breaches 60fps for many games at 4K (with a 7820x and 32gb of memory) [1] Battlefield 1 - 97fps [2] Far Cry 5 - 70fps [3] Grand Theft Auto 5 - 62fps [4] Total War: Warhammer 2 - 55fps And the 99th percentile of many of those titles drops below 60fps. The FE can push a little bit harder. Its true that at 4k you can pretty safely turn off the more powerful forms of AA and gain a lot of performance back; the resolution is so high that it doesn't tend to matter. How else would the X1X be capable of so consistently reaching 4k30 for titles like FH4 with a substantially less powerful graphics card? But that's not really how we observe what these cards are capable of. You can play CS:GO at 4k120 on a much less powerful card, but that's not really that interesting. Also, I consider the "affordable" mark to be ~$300, which is GTX 1060 territory. So when you consider that most gamers [5] are barely running 1080p144/1440p60 right now, that jump to 4k60 is actually pretty far. [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review/6 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-... [2] https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review/7 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-... [3] https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review/11 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-... [4] https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review/14 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-... [5] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw... (Far more than 40% of gamers on Steam are running a card less powerful than the GTX 1070).
- gknoy 8y ago
  > that's not really how we observe what these cards are capable of I think you may be looking at what most benchmarks show, which is often high/ultra details, with AA. Yes, you can compare cards better by putting them through their paces, and showing that card A handles a heavy load better than B, but most games look amazing _right now_ on lesser settings at 4k, on the 1070, even if it's certainly eclipsed by better cards. (I also agree with you on the affordability front.) Just about any game that came out before last year will look amazing, and I've been able to run pretty much every game that I have at high-ish (other than antialiasing) settings quite happily. You're absolutely right that $300 is a lot better target than $400, though.

by gknoy 8y ago

013a 8y ago

That's arguable. Even the RTX 2080Ti, the most powerful consumer graphics card on the planet at $800, barely breaches 60fps for many games at 4K (with a 7820x and 32gb of memory) [1] Battlefield 1 - 97fps [2] Far Cry 5 - 70fps [3] Grand Theft Auto 5 - 62fps [4] Total War: Warhammer 2 - 55fps And the 99th percentile of many of those titles drops below 60fps. The FE can push a little bit harder. Its true that at 4k you can pretty safely turn off the more powerful forms of AA and gain a lot of performance back; the resolution is so high that it doesn't tend to matter. How else would the X1X be capable of so consistently reaching 4k30 for titles like FH4 with a substantially less powerful graphics card? But that's not really how we observe what these cards are capable of. You can play CS:GO at 4k120 on a much less powerful card, but that's not really that interesting. Also, I consider the "affordable" mark to be ~$300, which is GTX 1060 territory. So when you consider that most gamers [5] are barely running 1080p144/1440p60 right now, that jump to 4k60 is actually pretty far. [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review/6 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-... [2] https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review/7 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-... [3] https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review/11 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-... [4] https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review/14 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-... [5] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw... (Far more than 40% of gamers on Steam are running a card less powerful than the GTX 1070).

gknoy 8y ago
> that's not really how we observe what these cards are capable of I think you may be looking at what most benchmarks show, which is often high/ultra details, with AA. Yes, you can compare cards better by putting them through their paces, and showing that card A handles a heavy load better than B, but most games look amazing _right now_ on lesser settings at 4k, on the 1070, even if it's certainly eclipsed by better cards. (I also agree with you on the affordability front.) Just about any game that came out before last year will look amazing, and I've been able to run pretty much every game that I have at high-ish (other than antialiasing) settings quite happily. You're absolutely right that $300 is a lot better target than $400, though.