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Because chances are people who are systematically impoverished are also not properly educated on how to exercise birth control in effective manners, or don't ha
by SolaceQuantum 8y ago
Because chances are people who are systematically impoverished are also not properly educated on how to exercise birth control in effective manners, or don't have the resources to access abortion services (especially in states where there are less than a handful of clinics that offer the services in the first place of have regulations explicitly to limit a woman's bodily autonomy rights), or had children before the breadwinner of the family was put in jail or otherwise lost their jobs due to the disproportionate choice in law enforcement in USA.
There is, in fact, a massive confluence of reasons why poor people end up having children, and shaming them for doing so instead of helping those reasons will not help anyone.
- empath75 8y agoAlso, because they're like _human beings_ who need a family like everyone else does.
- golergka 8y agoShaming is education. It creates a very strong cultural and emotional tie to knowledge, motivating people to act in a certain way. If we lived on a planet where every person was a rational, level-headed adult, lectures and books would be enough of an education. Sadly, most of the people are irrational and emotional; if you want to steer them towards better life decisions, for their sake as well as society's, shame is a very good tool.
- darpa_escapee 8y agoShaming creates pariahs. Shaming gives others the incentive to ignore, blame, shun, harm and not help those who are shamed. America has a long, ugly history of shaming single mothers, sexual abuse victims, adulterers and interracial and non-heterosexual relationships. I don't think that we should encourage more of it. > Sadly, most of the people are irrational and emotional; if you want to steer them towards better life decisions, for their sake as well as society's, shame is a very good tool. Would you use the word 'paternalistic' to describe your views on an ideal society?
- SolaceQuantum 8y agoThis post does not address the other reasons I have stated.
- zeroname 8y ago> Because chances are people who are systematically impoverished are also not properly educated on how to exercise birth control in effective manners This is not true at all. Everyone knows how not to have children, just like everyone knows smoking can cause cancer. People just take the risk anyway. It's basic human irrationality, no amount of education can fix it. Societal pressure, on the other hand, does have some of the desired effect, even if it's not a "nice thing" like education.
- ceejayoz 8y ago> This is not true at all. Everyone knows how not to have children... I used to help moderate a LiveJournal community called "amipregnant" and this is a laughably false assertion. "Yes, you can get pregnant your first time having sex" and "no, you can't get pregnant from sitting on a toilet seat a boy used" were both pretty common sorts of things we had to tell folks.
- SolaceQuantum 8y agoDo you have proof that societal pressure via shaming results in systematic changes the way you’re describing? From what I remember, there are studies regarding the shaming of women and bodily image that doesnt seem to correlate shaming for misbehavior with better behavior (Ie. Eating less).
- zeroname 8y agoThat's a bit of a special case, because shaming creates stress, while people with an eating disorder eat to reduce stress. Otherwise, I think it's self-evident. There's many behaviors that would've been socially unacceptable a hundred years ago, which today are accepted and far more common. For a somewhat related example, consider inter-racial or (to some degree) inter-religious marriages.
- SolaceQuantum 8y agoIf it’s self evident, then it should be rudimentary to study.