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The EU has passed this law so that it can be there waiting to be used to shut down dissidents. It doesn't make sense otherwise. These are smart people. With m

The EU has passed this law so that it can be there waiting to be used to shut down dissidents. It doesn't make sense otherwise. These are smart people. With mostly bad ideas IMHO, but smart. They know what they're doing. This law has too many issues to be good for regular people.

simias 8y ago
The EU has passed this law because of the lobbying of the record industry, movie industry etc... There's really no need to search for some Big Brother conspiracy theory. Maybe the law can be abused that way but I doubt that's the main motivation.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  Why "Big Brother conspiracy theory"? It sounds like a great tool for them, it wouldn't be the first time a government passes similar laws for that reason. For instance, the law https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-trolls-social-media-abuse-ban-politicians-public-office-a8467831.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-trol... passed in the UK: without a clear definition of what a troll is, you can easily get rid of your opponent by saying he's an internet troll (and you can probably prove it for just about anybody, everyone has made at least 1 questionable comment, if anything as a kid). The EU is not the US. If it was the US I would definitely put lobbying as the only or main reason for passing such a law, but the EU doesn't seem to be as favorable to lobbists (see GMOs, labelling laws), while they seem to love pushing their agenda no matter what nowadays (see attacking other member states like Hungary and Poland), and creating a just-in-case legal framework to better their chances makes very much sense for them, IMHO. That's what I think, anyway. No one knows, for sure it's not the official explanation that it helps content creators, or they're unbelievably incompetent.
- pluma 8y ago
  The record and movie industry? No, Europe has a different industry lobbying these issues that Americans tend to be oblivious about: newspaper publishers. A lot of the regulation is lifted verbatim from laws newspaper publishers lobbied for in Germany. This is why the regulation deals with issues like citing news stories -- a direct result of newspaper publishers going after Google. The content filter however seems to be the logical result of YouTube's impasse with collecting societies like GEMA and its ilk -- not quite the equivalent of the RIAA because of the complex legal situation surrounding its licensing requirements (tl;dr: in some situations you can be subject to GEMA licensing fees without actually using GEMA registered music). In a nutshell: RIAA is infamous for going after teenagers who illegally fileshared a few MP3s, GEMA is infamous for going after small businesses and non-profit events for publicly playing or performing music without permission. They're both problematic but in very different ways.
  - simias 8y ago
    I'm French and in France I can assure you that I mostly heard musicians being very outspoken in support of the law. That's the whole "exception culturelle française" for better or worse. France is very protectionist of its cultural industry. But you're right that newspaper definitely favor the law as well which is a problem for unbiased reporting.
    - pluma 8y ago
      Yeah, hence why I mentioned GEMA and its equivalents. But the dynamics are a fair bit different from the usual RIAA noise you hear about internationally.

simias 8y ago

The EU has passed this law because of the lobbying of the record industry, movie industry etc... There's really no need to search for some Big Brother conspiracy theory. Maybe the law can be abused that way but I doubt that's the main motivation.

nkkollaw 8y ago
Why "Big Brother conspiracy theory"? It sounds like a great tool for them, it wouldn't be the first time a government passes similar laws for that reason. For instance, the law https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-trolls-social-media-abuse-ban-politicians-public-office-a8467831.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-trol... passed in the UK: without a clear definition of what a troll is, you can easily get rid of your opponent by saying he's an internet troll (and you can probably prove it for just about anybody, everyone has made at least 1 questionable comment, if anything as a kid). The EU is not the US. If it was the US I would definitely put lobbying as the only or main reason for passing such a law, but the EU doesn't seem to be as favorable to lobbists (see GMOs, labelling laws), while they seem to love pushing their agenda no matter what nowadays (see attacking other member states like Hungary and Poland), and creating a just-in-case legal framework to better their chances makes very much sense for them, IMHO. That's what I think, anyway. No one knows, for sure it's not the official explanation that it helps content creators, or they're unbelievably incompetent.
pluma 8y ago
The record and movie industry? No, Europe has a different industry lobbying these issues that Americans tend to be oblivious about: newspaper publishers. A lot of the regulation is lifted verbatim from laws newspaper publishers lobbied for in Germany. This is why the regulation deals with issues like citing news stories -- a direct result of newspaper publishers going after Google. The content filter however seems to be the logical result of YouTube's impasse with collecting societies like GEMA and its ilk -- not quite the equivalent of the RIAA because of the complex legal situation surrounding its licensing requirements (tl;dr: in some situations you can be subject to GEMA licensing fees without actually using GEMA registered music). In a nutshell: RIAA is infamous for going after teenagers who illegally fileshared a few MP3s, GEMA is infamous for going after small businesses and non-profit events for publicly playing or performing music without permission. They're both problematic but in very different ways.
- simias 8y ago
  I'm French and in France I can assure you that I mostly heard musicians being very outspoken in support of the law. That's the whole "exception culturelle française" for better or worse. France is very protectionist of its cultural industry. But you're right that newspaper definitely favor the law as well which is a problem for unbiased reporting.
  - pluma 8y ago
    Yeah, hence why I mentioned GEMA and its equivalents. But the dynamics are a fair bit different from the usual RIAA noise you hear about internationally.