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Given you are calling Sargon and Count Dankula alt-right shows how little you know about them.

namdnay 8y ago
I think it's fair to say that Benjamin is somewhere in the alt-right nebula: Anti-feminism, UKIP, 4chan, anti-"political correctness"... If it quacks like a duck
- exo762 8y ago
  Alt-right is defined by its identity politics. Anti-feminism is not anti-women's-rights. Stuff you are listing (minus UKIP) is shared by everyone to the right of the progressives. Including liberals.
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- funkythings 8y ago
  alt-right is right wing identity politics. Sargon is anti identity politics and a classic, free speech pro-capitalist liberal. I'm not sure where you take your information from
  - cremno 8y ago
    People just have to look at the politicians and parties he's supporting. For example in the last French presidential election he opposed the pro-capitalist liberal (redundant as liberals are by definition pro-capitalism). I wonder what's his opinion on the Brazil one. A moderate social democrat vs. fascist belonging to a party called the "Social Liberal Party"? He's not even a good source of information as his 3 hours long videos consist of Wikipedia articles he glanced through and repeating extreme right-wing conspiracies (Cultural Marxism, the terrorist attack at the Unite the Right rally). (Also the only decent anti-idpol people are Marxists.)
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    - andrenth 8y ago
      “A moderated social democrat” who defends Venezuelan and Cuban dictators and who is running (admittedly!) as a puppet for a convicted corrupt politician who he plans to put out of jail. And the other guy is the fascist? You are either misinformed about the situation in Brazil or being deliberately misleading.
    - funkythings 8y ago
      cultural marxism is an extreme right wing view? The term "liberal" has changed in the minds of people, my friend. Liberals are now synonymous with left wingers, who are NOT pro-capitalist.
      - poilcn 8y ago
        The US is not the whole world. In Europe, liberalism is synonym to «market liberalism».
  - UncleMeat 8y ago
    Why then is so much of his YouTube channel complaining about feminists?
  - collyw 8y ago
    People really should check the Wikipedia before downvoting comments like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
    - belorn 8y ago
      The alt-right is a loosely connected and somewhat ill-defined - (summery). The Associated Press advises its journalists to not use the term without providing an internal definition, due to its vagueness. They described the "alt-right" label as "currently embraced by some white supremacists and white nationalists" that "may exist primarily as a public-relations device to make its supporters' actual beliefs less clear and more acceptable to a broader audience". - Etymology and scope Both funkythings and namdnay comment above assert statements to what alt-right is and who belongs to it that the wikipedia article do not. Labeling anti-"political correctness" as alt-right is not supported. Journalist Mike Wendling says that alt-right share the view of anti-"political correctness" with chan culture, but that is as far as the wikipedia article is willing to go.
      - funkythings 8y ago
        It literally says in the article they are identitarians. Therefore my statement about identity politics is correct
- collyw 8y ago
  Today I learned that I am alt-right for disliking identity politics.
  - mercer 8y ago
    I'd say what is typical of the alt-right is not that they dislike 'identity politics' (the discourse as a whole, so including right and left), but rather that they actively take a stand and engage in being anti-'identity politics'. I know tons of people who mostly just steer clear of identity politics altogether, both left and right. But it's only the alt-right people I know, along with a chunk of the left, who seem to really invest in the whole discussion.
    - collyw 8y ago
      Your description doesn't match with Wikipedias in the slightest. I think you should update it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right (The description mentions Richard Spencer promoting the term, someone who Sargon has debated against - him and his position).
- taborj 8y ago
  > anti-"political correctness" News flash, the vast majority of Americans are anti-"political correctness." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo...
  - ionised 8y ago
    The vast majority of Americans lean right with their politicians so that's not exactly surprising.
    - funkythings 8y ago
      The democrats won the popular vote in 2016. Not sure what you're talking about
      - ionised 8y ago
        What makes you think the US Democratic Party is left-leaning? They are positively conservative by global standards.
Arnt 8y ago
A little bit of German is on-topic, methinks: https://twitter.com/janboehm/status/948192229218291714 https://twitter.com/janboehm/status/948192229218291714
- funkythings 8y ago
  I lost all respect for Boehmermann after he released his twitter block list, and just lumped in every journalist to the right of himself with real Nazis. He's part of the problem
  - Arnt 8y ago
    So I looked. Every journalist, you say. I didn't see the names of any FAZ journalists. Would you say the entire staff of FAZ is to the left of Böhmermann? Or perhaps I didn't look hard enough. I admit I didn't spend very long.
    - funkythings 8y ago
      Ok, "every" was a little hyperbolic...my bad. This is what I know about it, mainly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icjwbn85CUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icjwbn85CUs Take it with a grain of salt. But I find this behaviour from a state sponsored journalist worrying.
pjc50 8y ago
Mark Meechan is the guy who was prosecuted for using a dog as a prop in an anti-semitic video: http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meechan http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meecha...
- funkythings 8y ago
  Did you even watch the video? The VERY FIRST thing he said was "turn it (his girlfriends dog) into the most unfunny thing I could think of...a Nazi". This was a joke, nothing more, nothing less. Now, the real scandal was that the courts just assumed his intent and just assumed he wanted to harass jews. Which is ridiculous.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    Did you read the court report?
    - vetinari 8y ago
      Yes, reminded me the communist show-trials in the 1950s. They said "WE decide what is YOUR intent and context". Unbelievable.
      - jackweirdy 8y ago
        Not true - it is a strict liability offense meaning neither intent or context were relevant for a conviction. (The purpose of such offenses was so, for example, companies couldn't say "I didn't intend to break the tax laws so please reduce my sentence")
        vetinari 8y ago
        James Mathews of Sky News said exactly the same phrase in the interview with Dankula. He wasn't tried. This is practical demonstration than intent and context matter. The other explanation would be, that the law is selectively enforced. Which is worse?

I think it's fair to say that Benjamin is somewhere in the alt-right nebula: Anti-feminism, UKIP, 4chan, anti-"political correctness"... If it quacks like a duck

exo762 8y ago
Alt-right is defined by its identity politics. Anti-feminism is not anti-women's-rights. Stuff you are listing (minus UKIP) is shared by everyone to the right of the progressives. Including liberals.
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funkythings 8y ago
alt-right is right wing identity politics. Sargon is anti identity politics and a classic, free speech pro-capitalist liberal. I'm not sure where you take your information from
- cremno 8y ago
  People just have to look at the politicians and parties he's supporting. For example in the last French presidential election he opposed the pro-capitalist liberal (redundant as liberals are by definition pro-capitalism). I wonder what's his opinion on the Brazil one. A moderate social democrat vs. fascist belonging to a party called the "Social Liberal Party"? He's not even a good source of information as his 3 hours long videos consist of Wikipedia articles he glanced through and repeating extreme right-wing conspiracies (Cultural Marxism, the terrorist attack at the Unite the Right rally). (Also the only decent anti-idpol people are Marxists.)
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  - andrenth 8y ago
    “A moderated social democrat” who defends Venezuelan and Cuban dictators and who is running (admittedly!) as a puppet for a convicted corrupt politician who he plans to put out of jail. And the other guy is the fascist? You are either misinformed about the situation in Brazil or being deliberately misleading.
  - funkythings 8y ago
    cultural marxism is an extreme right wing view? The term "liberal" has changed in the minds of people, my friend. Liberals are now synonymous with left wingers, who are NOT pro-capitalist.
    - poilcn 8y ago
      The US is not the whole world. In Europe, liberalism is synonym to «market liberalism».
- UncleMeat 8y ago
  Why then is so much of his YouTube channel complaining about feminists?
- collyw 8y ago
  People really should check the Wikipedia before downvoting comments like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
  - belorn 8y ago
    The alt-right is a loosely connected and somewhat ill-defined - (summery). The Associated Press advises its journalists to not use the term without providing an internal definition, due to its vagueness. They described the "alt-right" label as "currently embraced by some white supremacists and white nationalists" that "may exist primarily as a public-relations device to make its supporters' actual beliefs less clear and more acceptable to a broader audience". - Etymology and scope Both funkythings and namdnay comment above assert statements to what alt-right is and who belongs to it that the wikipedia article do not. Labeling anti-"political correctness" as alt-right is not supported. Journalist Mike Wendling says that alt-right share the view of anti-"political correctness" with chan culture, but that is as far as the wikipedia article is willing to go.
    - funkythings 8y ago
      It literally says in the article they are identitarians. Therefore my statement about identity politics is correct
collyw 8y ago
Today I learned that I am alt-right for disliking identity politics.
- mercer 8y ago
  I'd say what is typical of the alt-right is not that they dislike 'identity politics' (the discourse as a whole, so including right and left), but rather that they actively take a stand and engage in being anti-'identity politics'. I know tons of people who mostly just steer clear of identity politics altogether, both left and right. But it's only the alt-right people I know, along with a chunk of the left, who seem to really invest in the whole discussion.
  - collyw 8y ago
    Your description doesn't match with Wikipedias in the slightest. I think you should update it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right (The description mentions Richard Spencer promoting the term, someone who Sargon has debated against - him and his position).
taborj 8y ago
> anti-"political correctness" News flash, the vast majority of Americans are anti-"political correctness." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo...
- ionised 8y ago
  The vast majority of Americans lean right with their politicians so that's not exactly surprising.
  - funkythings 8y ago
    The democrats won the popular vote in 2016. Not sure what you're talking about
    - ionised 8y ago
      What makes you think the US Democratic Party is left-leaning? They are positively conservative by global standards.

Arnt 8y ago

A little bit of German is on-topic, methinks: https://twitter.com/janboehm/status/948192229218291714 https://twitter.com/janboehm/status/948192229218291714

funkythings 8y ago
I lost all respect for Boehmermann after he released his twitter block list, and just lumped in every journalist to the right of himself with real Nazis. He's part of the problem
- Arnt 8y ago
  So I looked. Every journalist, you say. I didn't see the names of any FAZ journalists. Would you say the entire staff of FAZ is to the left of Böhmermann? Or perhaps I didn't look hard enough. I admit I didn't spend very long.
  - funkythings 8y ago
    Ok, "every" was a little hyperbolic...my bad. This is what I know about it, mainly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icjwbn85CUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icjwbn85CUs Take it with a grain of salt. But I find this behaviour from a state sponsored journalist worrying.

pjc50 8y ago

Mark Meechan is the guy who was prosecuted for using a dog as a prop in an anti-semitic video: http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meechan http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meecha...

funkythings 8y ago
Did you even watch the video? The VERY FIRST thing he said was "turn it (his girlfriends dog) into the most unfunny thing I could think of...a Nazi". This was a joke, nothing more, nothing less. Now, the real scandal was that the courts just assumed his intent and just assumed he wanted to harass jews. Which is ridiculous.
- pjc50 8y ago
  Did you read the court report?
  - vetinari 8y ago
    Yes, reminded me the communist show-trials in the 1950s. They said "WE decide what is YOUR intent and context". Unbelievable.
    - jackweirdy 8y ago
      Not true - it is a strict liability offense meaning neither intent or context were relevant for a conviction. (The purpose of such offenses was so, for example, companies couldn't say "I didn't intend to break the tax laws so please reduce my sentence")
      - vetinari 8y ago
        James Mathews of Sky News said exactly the same phrase in the interview with Dankula. He wasn't tried. This is practical demonstration than intent and context matter. The other explanation would be, that the law is selectively enforced. Which is worse?