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Already happened in the UK: Sargon of Akkad and CountDankula joined UKIP and are out there speaking out about their brand of alt right/lite YouTube politics. P

by davedx 8y ago

Already happened in the UK: Sargon of Akkad and CountDankula joined UKIP and are out there speaking out about their brand of alt right/lite YouTube politics. PrisonPaul of InfoWars also joined, but it seems he’s still mostly staying in his basement and making endless clips about PC or immigration than making the transition to “IRL” like the other two have. What kind of impact this will have remains to be seen. UKIP is still a fringe party for now.

microcolonel 8y ago
> Sargon of Akkad and CountDankula joined UKIP and are out there speaking out about their brand of alt right/lite YouTube politics. I must say, I'm not so sure it's the British liberals (Sargon) and former unironic communist comedians (Dankula) who are pushing "alt right" politics on YouTube. To quote Sargon of Akkad in an interview published a few hours ago: “After the 20th century, liberalism is the only [political] ideology left standing with any moral credibility. Communism and fascism have both failed catastrophically, and the worst human disasters in all of human history were because of continental collective ideologies like communism and fascism.” Given that the alt right is basically defined by a respect for that same continental collective ideology (ethno-national socialism), it seems that Sargon of Akkad is a tremendous critic of their ideology, not a purveyor of it.
funkythings 8y ago
Given you are calling Sargon and Count Dankula alt-right shows how little you know about them.
- namdnay 8y ago
  I think it's fair to say that Benjamin is somewhere in the alt-right nebula: Anti-feminism, UKIP, 4chan, anti-"political correctness"... If it quacks like a duck
  - exo762 8y ago
    Alt-right is defined by its identity politics. Anti-feminism is not anti-women's-rights. Stuff you are listing (minus UKIP) is shared by everyone to the right of the progressives. Including liberals.
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  - funkythings 8y ago
    alt-right is right wing identity politics. Sargon is anti identity politics and a classic, free speech pro-capitalist liberal. I'm not sure where you take your information from
    - cremno 8y ago
      People just have to look at the politicians and parties he's supporting. For example in the last French presidential election he opposed the pro-capitalist liberal (redundant as liberals are by definition pro-capitalism). I wonder what's his opinion on the Brazil one. A moderate social democrat vs. fascist belonging to a party called the "Social Liberal Party"? He's not even a good source of information as his 3 hours long videos consist of Wikipedia articles he glanced through and repeating extreme right-wing conspiracies (Cultural Marxism, the terrorist attack at the Unite the Right rally). (Also the only decent anti-idpol people are Marxists.)
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      - andrenth 8y ago
        “A moderated social democrat” who defends Venezuelan and Cuban dictators and who is running (admittedly!) as a puppet for a convicted corrupt politician who he plans to put out of jail. And the other guy is the fascist? You are either misinformed about the situation in Brazil or being deliberately misleading.
      - funkythings 8y ago
        cultural marxism is an extreme right wing view? The term "liberal" has changed in the minds of people, my friend. Liberals are now synonymous with left wingers, who are NOT pro-capitalist.
        poilcn 8y ago
        The US is not the whole world. In Europe, liberalism is synonym to «market liberalism».
  - collyw 8y ago
    Today I learned that I am alt-right for disliking identity politics.
    - mercer 8y ago
      I'd say what is typical of the alt-right is not that they dislike 'identity politics' (the discourse as a whole, so including right and left), but rather that they actively take a stand and engage in being anti-'identity politics'. I know tons of people who mostly just steer clear of identity politics altogether, both left and right. But it's only the alt-right people I know, along with a chunk of the left, who seem to really invest in the whole discussion.
      - collyw 8y ago
        Your description doesn't match with Wikipedias in the slightest. I think you should update it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right (The description mentions Richard Spencer promoting the term, someone who Sargon has debated against - him and his position).
  - taborj 8y ago
    > anti-"political correctness" News flash, the vast majority of Americans are anti-"political correctness." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo...
    - ionised 8y ago
      The vast majority of Americans lean right with their politicians so that's not exactly surprising.
      - funkythings 8y ago
        The democrats won the popular vote in 2016. Not sure what you're talking about
        ionised 8y ago
        What makes you think the US Democratic Party is left-leaning? They are positively conservative by global standards.
- Arnt 8y ago
  A little bit of German is on-topic, methinks: https://twitter.com/janboehm/status/948192229218291714 https://twitter.com/janboehm/status/948192229218291714
  - funkythings 8y ago
    I lost all respect for Boehmermann after he released his twitter block list, and just lumped in every journalist to the right of himself with real Nazis. He's part of the problem
    - Arnt 8y ago
      So I looked. Every journalist, you say. I didn't see the names of any FAZ journalists. Would you say the entire staff of FAZ is to the left of Böhmermann? Or perhaps I didn't look hard enough. I admit I didn't spend very long.
      - funkythings 8y ago
        Ok, "every" was a little hyperbolic...my bad. This is what I know about it, mainly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icjwbn85CUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icjwbn85CUs Take it with a grain of salt. But I find this behaviour from a state sponsored journalist worrying.
- pjc50 8y ago
  Mark Meechan is the guy who was prosecuted for using a dog as a prop in an anti-semitic video: http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meechan http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meecha...
  - funkythings 8y ago
    Did you even watch the video? The VERY FIRST thing he said was "turn it (his girlfriends dog) into the most unfunny thing I could think of...a Nazi". This was a joke, nothing more, nothing less. Now, the real scandal was that the courts just assumed his intent and just assumed he wanted to harass jews. Which is ridiculous.
    - pjc50 8y ago
      Did you read the court report?
      - vetinari 8y ago
        Yes, reminded me the communist show-trials in the 1950s. They said "WE decide what is YOUR intent and context". Unbelievable.
        jackweirdy 8y ago
        Not true - it is a strict liability offense meaning neither intent or context were relevant for a conviction. (The purpose of such offenses was so, for example, companies couldn't say "I didn't intend to break the tax laws so please reduce my sentence")
        vetinari 8y ago
        James Mathews of Sky News said exactly the same phrase in the interview with Dankula. He wasn't tried. This is practical demonstration than intent and context matter. The other explanation would be, that the law is selectively enforced. Which is worse?
qubax 8y ago
> Already happened in the UK: Sargon of Akkad and CountDankula joined UKIP and are out there speaking out about their brand of alt right/lite YouTube politics. It's so strange to see people parrot media talking points. But that's what the media is there to do I suppose. > PrisonPaul of InfoWars also joined, but it seems he’s still mostly staying in his basement and making endless clips about PC or immigration than making the transition to “IRL” like the other two have. You obviously have no bias. > What kind of impact this will have remains to be seen. UKIP is still a fringe party for now. Hopefully they will serve as the counterweight to the far-left extremism in media.
- ionised 8y ago
  Can you give an example of far-left extremism in the media? I haven't seen any communist bomb threats lately.
  - qubax 8y ago
    > Can you give an example of far-left extremism in the media? By far-left extremism in the media, I'm saying that the media is far-left extremist. > I haven't seen any communist bomb threats lately. Google antifa and protests. But I have a feeling you already knew that.
    - ionised 8y ago
      I'm zero'ing in on your use of the word 'extremism' because it's a loaded term meant to paint your target as outrageous and unreasonable. I would like an example of something you consider extremism in the media because I'm betting we have a different definition of extremism. That said you also mentioned protests as a form of extremism. That's worrying.
      - qubax 8y ago
        > I'm zero'ing in on your use of the word 'extremism' because it's a loaded term meant to paint your target as outrageous and unreasonable. It's not. I'm using it the same way far-left journalists use it. If sargon and dankula are extremists, so are they. > That said you also mentioned protests as a form of extremism. That's worrying. I mention antifa and protests for a reason. Seeing as how invested you seem to be, it's obvious to me you already know what I am talking about. As I said, if you truly don't know what I'm talking about, you could easily google it yourself. There are plenty of evidence of violence by the lunatic extremist left supported by the far left media. I normally would never link to a washingtonpost article but I suspect it's the only one you'd accept. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/2...

by davedx 8y ago

microcolonel 8y ago

> Sargon of Akkad and CountDankula joined UKIP and are out there speaking out about their brand of alt right/lite YouTube politics. I must say, I'm not so sure it's the British liberals (Sargon) and former unironic communist comedians (Dankula) who are pushing "alt right" politics on YouTube. To quote Sargon of Akkad in an interview published a few hours ago: “After the 20th century, liberalism is the only [political] ideology left standing with any moral credibility. Communism and fascism have both failed catastrophically, and the worst human disasters in all of human history were because of continental collective ideologies like communism and fascism.” Given that the alt right is basically defined by a respect for that same continental collective ideology (ethno-national socialism), it seems that Sargon of Akkad is a tremendous critic of their ideology, not a purveyor of it.

funkythings 8y ago

Given you are calling Sargon and Count Dankula alt-right shows how little you know about them.

namdnay 8y ago
I think it's fair to say that Benjamin is somewhere in the alt-right nebula: Anti-feminism, UKIP, 4chan, anti-"political correctness"... If it quacks like a duck
- exo762 8y ago
  Alt-right is defined by its identity politics. Anti-feminism is not anti-women's-rights. Stuff you are listing (minus UKIP) is shared by everyone to the right of the progressives. Including liberals.
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- funkythings 8y ago
  alt-right is right wing identity politics. Sargon is anti identity politics and a classic, free speech pro-capitalist liberal. I'm not sure where you take your information from
  - cremno 8y ago
    People just have to look at the politicians and parties he's supporting. For example in the last French presidential election he opposed the pro-capitalist liberal (redundant as liberals are by definition pro-capitalism). I wonder what's his opinion on the Brazil one. A moderate social democrat vs. fascist belonging to a party called the "Social Liberal Party"? He's not even a good source of information as his 3 hours long videos consist of Wikipedia articles he glanced through and repeating extreme right-wing conspiracies (Cultural Marxism, the terrorist attack at the Unite the Right rally). (Also the only decent anti-idpol people are Marxists.)
    - deleted 8y ago
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    - andrenth 8y ago
      “A moderated social democrat” who defends Venezuelan and Cuban dictators and who is running (admittedly!) as a puppet for a convicted corrupt politician who he plans to put out of jail. And the other guy is the fascist? You are either misinformed about the situation in Brazil or being deliberately misleading.
    - funkythings 8y ago
      cultural marxism is an extreme right wing view? The term "liberal" has changed in the minds of people, my friend. Liberals are now synonymous with left wingers, who are NOT pro-capitalist.
      - poilcn 8y ago
        The US is not the whole world. In Europe, liberalism is synonym to «market liberalism».
- collyw 8y ago
  Today I learned that I am alt-right for disliking identity politics.
  - mercer 8y ago
    I'd say what is typical of the alt-right is not that they dislike 'identity politics' (the discourse as a whole, so including right and left), but rather that they actively take a stand and engage in being anti-'identity politics'. I know tons of people who mostly just steer clear of identity politics altogether, both left and right. But it's only the alt-right people I know, along with a chunk of the left, who seem to really invest in the whole discussion.
    - collyw 8y ago
      Your description doesn't match with Wikipedias in the slightest. I think you should update it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right (The description mentions Richard Spencer promoting the term, someone who Sargon has debated against - him and his position).
- taborj 8y ago
  > anti-"political correctness" News flash, the vast majority of Americans are anti-"political correctness." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo...
  - ionised 8y ago
    The vast majority of Americans lean right with their politicians so that's not exactly surprising.
    - funkythings 8y ago
      The democrats won the popular vote in 2016. Not sure what you're talking about
      - ionised 8y ago
        What makes you think the US Democratic Party is left-leaning? They are positively conservative by global standards.
Arnt 8y ago
A little bit of German is on-topic, methinks: https://twitter.com/janboehm/status/948192229218291714 https://twitter.com/janboehm/status/948192229218291714
- funkythings 8y ago
  I lost all respect for Boehmermann after he released his twitter block list, and just lumped in every journalist to the right of himself with real Nazis. He's part of the problem
  - Arnt 8y ago
    So I looked. Every journalist, you say. I didn't see the names of any FAZ journalists. Would you say the entire staff of FAZ is to the left of Böhmermann? Or perhaps I didn't look hard enough. I admit I didn't spend very long.
    - funkythings 8y ago
      Ok, "every" was a little hyperbolic...my bad. This is what I know about it, mainly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icjwbn85CUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icjwbn85CUs Take it with a grain of salt. But I find this behaviour from a state sponsored journalist worrying.
pjc50 8y ago
Mark Meechan is the guy who was prosecuted for using a dog as a prop in an anti-semitic video: http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meechan http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meecha...
- funkythings 8y ago
  Did you even watch the video? The VERY FIRST thing he said was "turn it (his girlfriends dog) into the most unfunny thing I could think of...a Nazi". This was a joke, nothing more, nothing less. Now, the real scandal was that the courts just assumed his intent and just assumed he wanted to harass jews. Which is ridiculous.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    Did you read the court report?
    - vetinari 8y ago
      Yes, reminded me the communist show-trials in the 1950s. They said "WE decide what is YOUR intent and context". Unbelievable.
      - jackweirdy 8y ago
        Not true - it is a strict liability offense meaning neither intent or context were relevant for a conviction. (The purpose of such offenses was so, for example, companies couldn't say "I didn't intend to break the tax laws so please reduce my sentence")
        vetinari 8y ago
        James Mathews of Sky News said exactly the same phrase in the interview with Dankula. He wasn't tried. This is practical demonstration than intent and context matter. The other explanation would be, that the law is selectively enforced. Which is worse?

qubax 8y ago

> Already happened in the UK: Sargon of Akkad and CountDankula joined UKIP and are out there speaking out about their brand of alt right/lite YouTube politics. It's so strange to see people parrot media talking points. But that's what the media is there to do I suppose. > PrisonPaul of InfoWars also joined, but it seems he’s still mostly staying in his basement and making endless clips about PC or immigration than making the transition to “IRL” like the other two have. You obviously have no bias. > What kind of impact this will have remains to be seen. UKIP is still a fringe party for now. Hopefully they will serve as the counterweight to the far-left extremism in media.

ionised 8y ago
Can you give an example of far-left extremism in the media? I haven't seen any communist bomb threats lately.
- qubax 8y ago
  > Can you give an example of far-left extremism in the media? By far-left extremism in the media, I'm saying that the media is far-left extremist. > I haven't seen any communist bomb threats lately. Google antifa and protests. But I have a feeling you already knew that.
  - ionised 8y ago
    I'm zero'ing in on your use of the word 'extremism' because it's a loaded term meant to paint your target as outrageous and unreasonable. I would like an example of something you consider extremism in the media because I'm betting we have a different definition of extremism. That said you also mentioned protests as a form of extremism. That's worrying.
    - qubax 8y ago
      > I'm zero'ing in on your use of the word 'extremism' because it's a loaded term meant to paint your target as outrageous and unreasonable. It's not. I'm using it the same way far-left journalists use it. If sargon and dankula are extremists, so are they. > That said you also mentioned protests as a form of extremism. That's worrying. I mention antifa and protests for a reason. Seeing as how invested you seem to be, it's obvious to me you already know what I am talking about. As I said, if you truly don't know what I'm talking about, you could easily google it yourself. There are plenty of evidence of violence by the lunatic extremist left supported by the far left media. I normally would never link to a washingtonpost article but I suspect it's the only one you'd accept. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/2...