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If it proves a lucrative business model, you may not get a choice. Making "smart" TVs was lucrative, and now almost all TVs are smart. No matter whether you buy

If it proves a lucrative business model, you may not get a choice. Making "smart" TVs was lucrative, and now almost all TVs are smart. No matter whether you buy a Samsung,a Sony, or an LG. If advertising in cars becomes successful, no matter what brand you buy, expect it to come with ads.

ericd 8y ago
Sure you do. I've just stopped buying TVs. Projectors, at least, still seem mostly focused on displaying images.
- icebraining 8y ago
  PC monitors too; they make decent "TVs".
- bscphil 8y ago
  Yep. I've got a 10 year old Plasma that still works and looks great. I will never own a car that advertises to me and sells my data. Hell, I'll never own a car that dings at me until I fasten a seatbelt if I can help it either.
  - slavak 8y ago
    > Hell, I'll never own a car that dings at me until I fasten a seatbelt if I can help it either. Serious question: Why? I've never found it particularly helpful myself, but what's the big deal about a sound that reminds you to put on a critical safety device that you should already be using anyway? Do you really find yourself hearing those dings for long enough that it becomes a serious annoyance? If so, don't you think the ding isn't the actual problem there?
- mrguyorama 8y ago
  I was still able to find a low model Vizio in about 47 inches that was dumb. It was a godsend
franciscrick1 8y ago
What you aren't getting is that those industries would be dead and those companies bankrupt if they didn't evolve. How is Samsung supposed to make money selling dumb TVs for $20 each? Okay, maybe you'd pay them $300 for it, but people with a moral hatred of technological advancement aren't the ones that prop up tech markets. They had to add "smart" capabilities or people would ask why they're charging the same price as last year's model.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  They could iterate on image and sound quality, and keep charging for that. A larger screen, a thinner screen, less bevel, etc. Plenty to do to have an excuse for making a new model. Also, the promise of market economy is that, under competitive pressure, in time product's price drops to near the actual costs of making it. Some products are simply done, and there should be a point at which the profit from sales is enough to just keep making it indefinitely, and the company could be free to pursue other products in other areas while still making the old one. What wasn't the advertised part of the bargain is the ratchet effect - a company will add user-hostile feature, briefly get a better deal, then all other competitors will follow suit and suddenly the user-friendly product is no longer being made. We need to develop a way to prevent this.
  - franciscrick1 8y ago
    No, we don't. You might want to, but nobody else cares.
kennydude 8y ago
This is why, for me, it's actually better to go for private label brands. They don't tend to bother
JustSomeNobody 8y ago
Can't you just not tell it about your network and use it like a dumb TV?

ericd 8y ago

Sure you do. I've just stopped buying TVs. Projectors, at least, still seem mostly focused on displaying images.

icebraining 8y ago
PC monitors too; they make decent "TVs".
bscphil 8y ago
Yep. I've got a 10 year old Plasma that still works and looks great. I will never own a car that advertises to me and sells my data. Hell, I'll never own a car that dings at me until I fasten a seatbelt if I can help it either.
- slavak 8y ago
  > Hell, I'll never own a car that dings at me until I fasten a seatbelt if I can help it either. Serious question: Why? I've never found it particularly helpful myself, but what's the big deal about a sound that reminds you to put on a critical safety device that you should already be using anyway? Do you really find yourself hearing those dings for long enough that it becomes a serious annoyance? If so, don't you think the ding isn't the actual problem there?
mrguyorama 8y ago
I was still able to find a low model Vizio in about 47 inches that was dumb. It was a godsend

franciscrick1 8y ago

What you aren't getting is that those industries would be dead and those companies bankrupt if they didn't evolve. How is Samsung supposed to make money selling dumb TVs for $20 each? Okay, maybe you'd pay them $300 for it, but people with a moral hatred of technological advancement aren't the ones that prop up tech markets. They had to add "smart" capabilities or people would ask why they're charging the same price as last year's model.

TeMPOraL 8y ago
They could iterate on image and sound quality, and keep charging for that. A larger screen, a thinner screen, less bevel, etc. Plenty to do to have an excuse for making a new model. Also, the promise of market economy is that, under competitive pressure, in time product's price drops to near the actual costs of making it. Some products are simply done, and there should be a point at which the profit from sales is enough to just keep making it indefinitely, and the company could be free to pursue other products in other areas while still making the old one. What wasn't the advertised part of the bargain is the ratchet effect - a company will add user-hostile feature, briefly get a better deal, then all other competitors will follow suit and suddenly the user-friendly product is no longer being made. We need to develop a way to prevent this.
- franciscrick1 8y ago
  No, we don't. You might want to, but nobody else cares.

kennydude 8y ago

This is why, for me, it's actually better to go for private label brands. They don't tend to bother

JustSomeNobody 8y ago

Can't you just not tell it about your network and use it like a dumb TV?