3 ms·

10 minutes installing and configuring docker is a good way for beginners to start programming?

avip 8y ago
No. It's a good way for a programming instructor to start a programming class. And there is nothing to "configure" in docker.
- calgoo 8y ago
  Last time i setup docker for some quick testing i had to: 1. Install docker using Apt or Yum 1a. So for CentOS i had to download and run a script on my machine to add the repository and install. 1b. Setup autostart of the service 1c. Configure my user so i can manage docker without sudo. Then once its installed: 2a. Lookup the correct flags to use 2b. Find the correct image to run 2c. Learn how to map a local folder for persistence 2d. Learn how to open ports for the program to be accessible. As a system administrator with 15+ years of experience, this is easy for me. But if I where to ask someone without any system experience to do this, I can for-see a lot of frustrating moments where they would give up.
  - avip 8y ago
    What would you suggest as an alternative plan for shepherding 10 random dudes and their homegrown laptops into a consistent state of python + pip installed?
    - calgoo 8y ago
      Thats the problem I guess, how to standardize something that's not standard and never will be. Im sure that VMs have been tested and done as well, bringing their own different issues. We could add another layer of abstraction, like some type of orchestration tool, but then that needs to be supported and there will still be issues with the system underneath. Maybe stat with something like lambda in AWS using their cloud9 instance as an IDE? It will cost a few $ but might help with the basics. However, this would only be good for very limited learning, so maybe add a small sysadmin crash course after that? So maybe schedule it similar to this: Basics: 10 days of coding in lambda using dynodb etc. Systems: 2 days of devops using python to setup and control the environment Rest of the course ....
    - brett40324 8y ago
      They learn how to learn and get their feet wet with reading documentation. First docs to read, follow, and do: The python docs on installing pip and virtualenv
- walterstucco 8y ago
  Are you sure this is true for everybody everywhere? My experience is the exact opposite

avip 8y ago

No. It's a good way for a programming instructor to start a programming class. And there is nothing to "configure" in docker.

calgoo 8y ago
Last time i setup docker for some quick testing i had to: 1. Install docker using Apt or Yum 1a. So for CentOS i had to download and run a script on my machine to add the repository and install. 1b. Setup autostart of the service 1c. Configure my user so i can manage docker without sudo. Then once its installed: 2a. Lookup the correct flags to use 2b. Find the correct image to run 2c. Learn how to map a local folder for persistence 2d. Learn how to open ports for the program to be accessible. As a system administrator with 15+ years of experience, this is easy for me. But if I where to ask someone without any system experience to do this, I can for-see a lot of frustrating moments where they would give up.
- avip 8y ago
  What would you suggest as an alternative plan for shepherding 10 random dudes and their homegrown laptops into a consistent state of python + pip installed?
  - calgoo 8y ago
    Thats the problem I guess, how to standardize something that's not standard and never will be. Im sure that VMs have been tested and done as well, bringing their own different issues. We could add another layer of abstraction, like some type of orchestration tool, but then that needs to be supported and there will still be issues with the system underneath. Maybe stat with something like lambda in AWS using their cloud9 instance as an IDE? It will cost a few $ but might help with the basics. However, this would only be good for very limited learning, so maybe add a small sysadmin crash course after that? So maybe schedule it similar to this: Basics: 10 days of coding in lambda using dynodb etc. Systems: 2 days of devops using python to setup and control the environment Rest of the course ....
  - brett40324 8y ago
    They learn how to learn and get their feet wet with reading documentation. First docs to read, follow, and do: The python docs on installing pip and virtualenv
walterstucco 8y ago
Are you sure this is true for everybody everywhere? My experience is the exact opposite