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World's oldest intact shipwreck discovered in Black Sea
- ChrisGranger 8y ago"The five metre (75ft) vessel..." Perhaps fifteen feet?
- judgardner 8y agoSeems they corrected pretty quickly, but yeah funny.
- romwell 8y agoFor the record, it was, indeed, 75ft (23m).
- de_watcher 8y agoAt this point these ft and weird date formats are more like just annoying...
- vincebowdren 8y agoGo on, I'll bite. Which date format in the article is weird?
- clamprecht 8y agoOn the other hand, I'm pretty impressed that they got the correct form of the verb "to lie": "... where it appears to have lain undisturbed for more than 2,400 years."
- Wildgoose 8y agoWhy would you not expect an educated native English speaker to be able to speak English?
- Supernaut 8y agoBitter experience.
- cm2012 8y agoNot a common word.
- steve_adams_86 8y agoIt's frequently said wrong by the educated and uneducated alike.
- empath75 8y agoIf it's frequently said by the educated and uneducated alike, then that's just the right way to do it.
- steve_adams_86 8y agoI don't disagree at all! I just understand why someone might be surprised at seeing the proper usage.
- clamprecht 8y agoThese days, editors often can't even write a headline correctly.
- ernesth 8y agoThough here it is an error, it could have been correct: 12 metre yachts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Metre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Metre) can be more than 60 feet long. For example, Stars and Stripes was 66ft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_%26_Stripes_87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_%26_Stripes_87).
- koboll 8y agoDo researchers from disciplines like history and marine biology ever pool their resources for missions like this, just to explore uncharted areas of the ocean deep to discover what's down there? It seems like there's so much opportunity across so many fields to discover new things by exploring the oceans.
- pvg 8y agoThere's a lot of ocean and sea out there so 'just exploring' uncharted regions probably won't produce much in a reasonable amount of time. In this particular case, the relative absence of marine biology at certain depths (and, of course, proximity to the settlements of ancient civilizations) is part of what makes the Black Sea interesting to archeologists.
- karavelov 8y agoBlack Sea is dead below 100-150m due to lack of oxigen - there is no live there, and this is the reason why we can find preserved recks from 2400 years ago. Edit: so there is no much interest from maritime biology.
- close04 8y agoOne more issue is that it's prohibitively expensive and very challenging technically to explore the bottom of oceans and seas properly. Any exploration needs a lot of support from the surface, equipment that can stand a very taxing environment (perhaps more so than in space), and the water covered parts of the planet are huge. Unless it's for oil very few bother surveying under those bodies of water.
- adrianN 8y agoWell, "dead" as in not much life, but there is an anaerobic ecosystem down there.
- RankingMember 8y agoInterestingly, it seems that the reason another old (though not nearly as old as this one) shipwreck (Vasa) was so well preserved is that humans polluted the water too much for life to survive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship)
- noncoml 8y agoMany believe the real reason behind the Trojan War was the control of the Bosphorus Strait that ships like this had to cross to reach the Black Sea from Greece.
- pilsetnieks 8y agoWho believe, and why? Many also believe that there is an uncontacted civilization under the Atlantic ocean, unseen apex primate cryptids in the Himalayas and the Pacific Northwest, and a Paleozoic reptile in a lake in Scotland.
- Tor3 8y agoBut you do see the difference between believing in what you listed up and believing in what you replied to? There is a difference between "maybe the guy crossed the street over there" and "maybe aliens teleported the guy from the sidewalk". The two suggestions are not equally worth believing in.
- pilsetnieks 8y agoThat is how false news spread. Yes, there is a difference in that the original comment is much more believable than Bigfoot or Atlantis but offering up a plausible statement without proof or source is how society is misinformed. Eventually someone will trust that comment, and start believing in something like that as well, even though it's not really known to be true, and the comment doesn't even make any claim to truthfulness ("many believe..") Ultimately, it could as well be false because it doesn't really say anything, just that many people believe a thing like that, so it's pointless at best and misleading at worst.
- Tor3 8y agoOh, I agree with that (that a reference should be added). The comparision is still not valid though. As to why false news are spread - no, I do not agree that the reason is that somebody is just claiming something. The reason is that people have stopped checking, in a time when checking is easier than ever before (and in this particular case - some checking will find that although there seems to have been a Troy, the Trojan War, as described by Homer, was probably more of a literary work. So it doesn't make much sense to try to figure out the "reason" behind the war. That doesn't take much googling.)
- omazurov 8y agoI wonder what happened to the previous oldest intact shipwreck discovered by Robert Ballard in Black Sea: http://press.nationalgeographic.com/2003/01/16/black-seas-oldest-shipwreck-found-on-ballard-expedition/ http://press.nationalgeographic.com/2003/01/16/black-seas-ol...
- kieckerjan 8y agoThe accompanying video shows divers inspecting a wreck, but I take it this is not the wreck from the article: this lies at over a mile deep.
- dotancohen 8y agoThe photo of the wreck from the article and the wreck in the video are very different. The video has nothing to do with the latest find. Note also that one of the divers in the video is silting badly towards the end. I don't think that those are professional archeologist divers in the video.
- wepple 8y agoIt’s weird, they appear to be tec divers, yet you’re right.. the photographer (two off-camera strobes) goes ahead and ruins viz with a couple of kicks?
- albertgoeswoof 8y agoHow did they find this? It’s over 1 mile below the surface, so was this some kind of submarine / automated rover or a scan from the surface?
- londons_explore 8y agoShipwrecks usually show up well on sonar scans. Lots of the worlds oceans have been scanned looking for good hiding places for submarines, and looking for enemy submarines hiding in said places. Not many of those scans are public, but sometimes researchers are tipped off where to look for wrecks.
- Symmetry 8y ago2400 years ago? That pretty much coincides with the Late Bronze Age Collapse, a time period we have very fragmentary textual evidence from. This could be a very exciting find. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
- readitone 8y agoNot to brag about it, but those things get me a little annoyed. Not a single word that this is found near Bulgaria territory, if i am not mistaken. If something is found near Murica or Greatest Britain of all, we will be reading a different titles.:)