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I couldn't agree more. I supported various decriminalization and legalization pushes on the principle that the criminal justice system is a poor avenue for add

I couldn't agree more. I supported various decriminalization and legalization pushes on the principle that the criminal justice system is a poor avenue for addressing things that are public health problem, which is a principle I still believe in. But I've got some considerable buyer's regret; I don't want to smoke myself, and as far as I can tell, it's shockingly common that smokers of either tobacco or cannabis are (a) pretty bad at realizing how others experience it (and how far the experience travels) and/or (b) not particularly considerate about the fact that others haven't signed up for it. It's particularly galling in living situations where people will smoke on balconies or just outside an entryway apparently heedless of the fact that smoke will travel in other people's windows; and even smoking indoors travels through both windows and ventilation systems. For a while I thought this might be something that could be solved via education and etiquette, but there are too many entitled smokers. I don't think this is a problem that's going to be fixable without at least minor citations/fines to back up the right behavior. And we might need to see if there's a relationship with production that's neither full-on industrialized nor necessarily driven underground.

berberous 8y ago
Have you tried complaining to your neighbors? They might not be aware that you can smell it. The further upside of legalization is all the advancements in e-pens, the smell of which really does not travel at all. Ask your neighbors to use a pen at home.
- mjevans 8y ago
  One of the places I hate it most is while driving, but also while walking... pretty much ALL public places should be non-smoking of anything. However yes, it does extend to balconies, and from a surprising distance away. I'm not kidding when I say it should be legally confined to areas which must have both negative draw (a high inward air pressure difference so that leaks go inside instead of out) and scrubbed exhaust (so that everything gets filtered out, often by water percolation to soak up the vaporized tar and other particles).
bfuller 8y ago
By this logic you support giving citations to neighbors whose food cooking smell you dont like.
- wwweston 8y ago
  Smoke is in play in this discussion. Not just smoke, but smoke of products that are chosen for their bioactive nature. Tobacco smoke in particular is all kinds of problematic, but cannabis is not harmless and even wood smoke is hazardous. This is not merely a discussion about scent-related experiences, it's a discussion of exporting health hazards into other's environments on top of exporting a smell that's widely considered unpleasant. But even assuming health issues weren't in play, there might well be a case that being an acceptable neighbor involves keeping many forms of sensory exports to a minimum. Loud music can be rude. Loud music or construction projects after 9pm are rude. Storing your asafoetida on the balcony would be pretty rude too, even if it can be used to make some super tasty food. Fish in the microwave will make you unpopular at some offices. So... yeah, we can go "by this logic" if you like, it's just not where the case stops.

berberous 8y ago

Have you tried complaining to your neighbors? They might not be aware that you can smell it. The further upside of legalization is all the advancements in e-pens, the smell of which really does not travel at all. Ask your neighbors to use a pen at home.

mjevans 8y ago
One of the places I hate it most is while driving, but also while walking... pretty much ALL public places should be non-smoking of anything. However yes, it does extend to balconies, and from a surprising distance away. I'm not kidding when I say it should be legally confined to areas which must have both negative draw (a high inward air pressure difference so that leaks go inside instead of out) and scrubbed exhaust (so that everything gets filtered out, often by water percolation to soak up the vaporized tar and other particles).

bfuller 8y ago

By this logic you support giving citations to neighbors whose food cooking smell you dont like.

wwweston 8y ago
Smoke is in play in this discussion. Not just smoke, but smoke of products that are chosen for their bioactive nature. Tobacco smoke in particular is all kinds of problematic, but cannabis is not harmless and even wood smoke is hazardous. This is not merely a discussion about scent-related experiences, it's a discussion of exporting health hazards into other's environments on top of exporting a smell that's widely considered unpleasant. But even assuming health issues weren't in play, there might well be a case that being an acceptable neighbor involves keeping many forms of sensory exports to a minimum. Loud music can be rude. Loud music or construction projects after 9pm are rude. Storing your asafoetida on the balcony would be pretty rude too, even if it can be used to make some super tasty food. Fish in the microwave will make you unpopular at some offices. So... yeah, we can go "by this logic" if you like, it's just not where the case stops.