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I hope you'll be able to find one. Finding a decent TV that isn't "smart" is pretty difficult.

by ilikecakeandpie 8y ago

wegotscrewed 8y ago
Without an internet connection they are all dumb
- lawnchair_larry 8y ago
  Cars have cellular modems now. Including Lincolns.
gnopgnip 8y ago
You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity Does it lack the hardware for the connection or did Tesla just disable the features that use it in those cars? A car only lacks remote connectivity if it lacks the required hardware.
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity Does it lack the hardware for the connection or did Tesla just disable the features that use it in those cars? A car only lacks remote connectivity if it lacks the required hardware, like a cellular modem.
- franciscrick1 8y ago
  Not from Tesla.
bluGill 8y ago
Just buy a used one - in 10 years today's 4g networks will be turned off and 5g on the way out. In theory your Lincoln is still connected, but in practice there is nothing for it to connect to.
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
  LOL, pass that blunt around, bro. If you think 4G will be off in 10 years, may I recommend reading about 3G networks and 2G networks... For reference, the latest 2G shutdown will happen in 2019 starting from 1991. 1G is still existing in Russia currently.
blihp 8y ago
Don't plug in the Ethernet or give it your wifi password and even the smartest TV gets dumb really fast. I'm actually going to be plugging mine in soon (only for a little while) just to see who/where it's sending data. Same with a car: don't let it connect via wifi. If it has a cell modem, cancel the service plan. In the unlikely event that there's no plan to cancel, 'mod' it with wire cutters and/or a dremel. (of course this assumes that you own the vehicle rather than lease it)
- pdkl95 8y ago
  SoC devices with built-in LTS/etc cellular support have been available for several years. The only thing stopping a TV from bypassing your LAN is negotiating some sort of cheap bulk-rate, off-peak with the carriers.
  - blihp 8y ago
    Sure, but even with a bulk rate is it economically worth it for them to do so? My understanding is that the current trend in massive data collection has been viable because they've externalized significant costs (i.e. consumers paying for devices and data.) If the company collecting it has to start footing the bill for the data plan, does it still work for most of them? I don't doubt this will change over the long term but am skeptical that it will be in the next 10 years at least... would love to hear if I'm wrong on this. If it does, then I suppose the way to go would be the hardware hack: snip off/ground/shield the antenna or otherwise disrupt/jam it...
- 908087 8y ago
  It's only a matter of time before "smart" TV manufacturers work out a deal with Comcast to use their wifi hotspots, or install 4G connectivity and have their televisions automatically connect with no option for the "owner" to disable it. I sincerely hate everything the "tech" industry has done to society over the past 10 years or so.
- voltagex_ 8y ago
  Depending on who you ask, my 2016-ish Sony is slower or faster depending on if you don't or do connect it to the Internet. A lot of the video processing seems to be done by Mediatek APIs. I'm not sure I'd retain HDR if I was able to disable the "smart" component completely. $1000 TV, $5 SoC from 3 years ago. The last Android update they did was to add more advertising to it! blihp, what I would say if you have an Android TV is see if you can install your own SSL certificates before you connect it. Lots of services are using SSL so you may only be able to pull netflow-style data from it. Also worth seeing if adb is listening on the network or on one of the USB ports.
eiaoa 8y ago
> I hope you'll be able to find one. Finding a decent TV that isn't "smart" is pretty difficult. If you don't want a smart TV you should by a "professional display" (I don't remember the exact term). They're almost exactly like a normal flat-screen, except their designed for always-on operation an lack all the "smart" crap.
- bradknowles 8y ago
  I think it's called a "monitor". ;)
- Karunamon 8y ago
  "digital signage display" is the term you're looking for. A bit of a price premium, though.

I hope you'll be able to find one. Finding a decent TV that isn't "smart" is pretty difficult.

wegotscrewed 8y ago

Without an internet connection they are all dumb

lawnchair_larry 8y ago
Cars have cellular modems now. Including Lincolns.

gnopgnip 8y ago

You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity

eiaoa 8y ago
> You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity Does it lack the hardware for the connection or did Tesla just disable the features that use it in those cars? A car only lacks remote connectivity if it lacks the required hardware.
eiaoa 8y ago
> You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity Does it lack the hardware for the connection or did Tesla just disable the features that use it in those cars? A car only lacks remote connectivity if it lacks the required hardware, like a cellular modem.
franciscrick1 8y ago
Not from Tesla.

bluGill 8y ago

Just buy a used one - in 10 years today's 4g networks will be turned off and 5g on the way out. In theory your Lincoln is still connected, but in practice there is nothing for it to connect to.

WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
LOL, pass that blunt around, bro. If you think 4G will be off in 10 years, may I recommend reading about 3G networks and 2G networks... For reference, the latest 2G shutdown will happen in 2019 starting from 1991. 1G is still existing in Russia currently.

blihp 8y ago

Don't plug in the Ethernet or give it your wifi password and even the smartest TV gets dumb really fast. I'm actually going to be plugging mine in soon (only for a little while) just to see who/where it's sending data. Same with a car: don't let it connect via wifi. If it has a cell modem, cancel the service plan. In the unlikely event that there's no plan to cancel, 'mod' it with wire cutters and/or a dremel. (of course this assumes that you own the vehicle rather than lease it)

pdkl95 8y ago
SoC devices with built-in LTS/etc cellular support have been available for several years. The only thing stopping a TV from bypassing your LAN is negotiating some sort of cheap bulk-rate, off-peak with the carriers.
- blihp 8y ago
  Sure, but even with a bulk rate is it economically worth it for them to do so? My understanding is that the current trend in massive data collection has been viable because they've externalized significant costs (i.e. consumers paying for devices and data.) If the company collecting it has to start footing the bill for the data plan, does it still work for most of them? I don't doubt this will change over the long term but am skeptical that it will be in the next 10 years at least... would love to hear if I'm wrong on this. If it does, then I suppose the way to go would be the hardware hack: snip off/ground/shield the antenna or otherwise disrupt/jam it...
908087 8y ago
It's only a matter of time before "smart" TV manufacturers work out a deal with Comcast to use their wifi hotspots, or install 4G connectivity and have their televisions automatically connect with no option for the "owner" to disable it. I sincerely hate everything the "tech" industry has done to society over the past 10 years or so.
voltagex_ 8y ago
Depending on who you ask, my 2016-ish Sony is slower or faster depending on if you don't or do connect it to the Internet. A lot of the video processing seems to be done by Mediatek APIs. I'm not sure I'd retain HDR if I was able to disable the "smart" component completely. $1000 TV, $5 SoC from 3 years ago. The last Android update they did was to add more advertising to it! blihp, what I would say if you have an Android TV is see if you can install your own SSL certificates before you connect it. Lots of services are using SSL so you may only be able to pull netflow-style data from it. Also worth seeing if adb is listening on the network or on one of the USB ports.

eiaoa 8y ago

> I hope you'll be able to find one. Finding a decent TV that isn't "smart" is pretty difficult. If you don't want a smart TV you should by a "professional display" (I don't remember the exact term). They're almost exactly like a normal flat-screen, except their designed for always-on operation an lack all the "smart" crap.

bradknowles 8y ago
I think it's called a "monitor". ;)
Karunamon 8y ago
"digital signage display" is the term you're looking for. A bit of a price premium, though.