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I also just saw a commercial for a Lincoln...something about the "connected" car of the future. All I can say is that is about 5 years when I am in the market f

by 14 8y ago

I also just saw a commercial for a Lincoln...something about the "connected" car of the future. All I can say is that is about 5 years when I am in the market for a new car, I will specifically be looking for a non connected car.

ilikecakeandpie 8y ago
I hope you'll be able to find one. Finding a decent TV that isn't "smart" is pretty difficult.
- wegotscrewed 8y ago
  Without an internet connection they are all dumb
  - lawnchair_larry 8y ago
    Cars have cellular modems now. Including Lincolns.
- gnopgnip 8y ago
  You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity
  - eiaoa 8y ago
    > You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity Does it lack the hardware for the connection or did Tesla just disable the features that use it in those cars? A car only lacks remote connectivity if it lacks the required hardware.
  - eiaoa 8y ago
    > You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity Does it lack the hardware for the connection or did Tesla just disable the features that use it in those cars? A car only lacks remote connectivity if it lacks the required hardware, like a cellular modem.
  - franciscrick1 8y ago
    Not from Tesla.
- bluGill 8y ago
  Just buy a used one - in 10 years today's 4g networks will be turned off and 5g on the way out. In theory your Lincoln is still connected, but in practice there is nothing for it to connect to.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
    LOL, pass that blunt around, bro. If you think 4G will be off in 10 years, may I recommend reading about 3G networks and 2G networks... For reference, the latest 2G shutdown will happen in 2019 starting from 1991. 1G is still existing in Russia currently.
- blihp 8y ago
  Don't plug in the Ethernet or give it your wifi password and even the smartest TV gets dumb really fast. I'm actually going to be plugging mine in soon (only for a little while) just to see who/where it's sending data. Same with a car: don't let it connect via wifi. If it has a cell modem, cancel the service plan. In the unlikely event that there's no plan to cancel, 'mod' it with wire cutters and/or a dremel. (of course this assumes that you own the vehicle rather than lease it)
  - pdkl95 8y ago
    SoC devices with built-in LTS/etc cellular support have been available for several years. The only thing stopping a TV from bypassing your LAN is negotiating some sort of cheap bulk-rate, off-peak with the carriers.
    - blihp 8y ago
      Sure, but even with a bulk rate is it economically worth it for them to do so? My understanding is that the current trend in massive data collection has been viable because they've externalized significant costs (i.e. consumers paying for devices and data.) If the company collecting it has to start footing the bill for the data plan, does it still work for most of them? I don't doubt this will change over the long term but am skeptical that it will be in the next 10 years at least... would love to hear if I'm wrong on this. If it does, then I suppose the way to go would be the hardware hack: snip off/ground/shield the antenna or otherwise disrupt/jam it...
  - 908087 8y ago
    It's only a matter of time before "smart" TV manufacturers work out a deal with Comcast to use their wifi hotspots, or install 4G connectivity and have their televisions automatically connect with no option for the "owner" to disable it. I sincerely hate everything the "tech" industry has done to society over the past 10 years or so.
  - voltagex_ 8y ago
    Depending on who you ask, my 2016-ish Sony is slower or faster depending on if you don't or do connect it to the Internet. A lot of the video processing seems to be done by Mediatek APIs. I'm not sure I'd retain HDR if I was able to disable the "smart" component completely. $1000 TV, $5 SoC from 3 years ago. The last Android update they did was to add more advertising to it! blihp, what I would say if you have an Android TV is see if you can install your own SSL certificates before you connect it. Lots of services are using SSL so you may only be able to pull netflow-style data from it. Also worth seeing if adb is listening on the network or on one of the USB ports.
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > I hope you'll be able to find one. Finding a decent TV that isn't "smart" is pretty difficult. If you don't want a smart TV you should by a "professional display" (I don't remember the exact term). They're almost exactly like a normal flat-screen, except their designed for always-on operation an lack all the "smart" crap.
  - bradknowles 8y ago
    I think it's called a "monitor". ;)
  - Karunamon 8y ago
    "digital signage display" is the term you're looking for. A bit of a price premium, though.
weinzierl 8y ago
You won't get a non-connected bicycle even. I'm exaggerating of course, but think about how hard it is to get a decent dumb phone nowadays. Yes there are options, but nothing like in the Nokia 3210 days.
- alex_stoddard 8y ago
  What are the decent options as of today and from what supplier/retailer? I've been struggling to find exact that - a decent dumb cellular phone.
- cdubzzz 8y ago
  Tangentially, I wonder if anyone here knows of communities that have cropped up around car hacking. If my next car will basically be a big computer on wheels, I'll be just as interested in the hackability of it as any other electronics I purchase.
  - tomatotomato37 8y ago
    Try searching for the groups that reverse-engineer ECU's in order to override them with sportier tunes
    - voltagex_ 8y ago
      The last time I found anything half decent, they'd built it into an app that used IAPs and a "credit" system (just like the decent carrier unlocking for phones).
  - lozaning 8y ago
    Car hacking village at DefCon grows every year. Go check it out next year. I'm using some of what I learned and bought from last time to enable my car's steering wheel buttons to control volume and seek on my phone via bluetooth. Also check out these guys: https://comma.ai/ https://comma.ai/ if you buy the right car the entire thing is drive by wire and entirely computer controllable.
nkrisc 8y ago
I'm in the market for a car and will be visiting some dealerships soon. I can already imagine their confusion when all the connected features make it a harder sell for me.

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ilikecakeandpie 8y ago

I hope you'll be able to find one. Finding a decent TV that isn't "smart" is pretty difficult.

wegotscrewed 8y ago
Without an internet connection they are all dumb
- lawnchair_larry 8y ago
  Cars have cellular modems now. Including Lincolns.
gnopgnip 8y ago
You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity Does it lack the hardware for the connection or did Tesla just disable the features that use it in those cars? A car only lacks remote connectivity if it lacks the required hardware.
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > You can even get a Tesla without remote connectivity Does it lack the hardware for the connection or did Tesla just disable the features that use it in those cars? A car only lacks remote connectivity if it lacks the required hardware, like a cellular modem.
- franciscrick1 8y ago
  Not from Tesla.
bluGill 8y ago
Just buy a used one - in 10 years today's 4g networks will be turned off and 5g on the way out. In theory your Lincoln is still connected, but in practice there is nothing for it to connect to.
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
  LOL, pass that blunt around, bro. If you think 4G will be off in 10 years, may I recommend reading about 3G networks and 2G networks... For reference, the latest 2G shutdown will happen in 2019 starting from 1991. 1G is still existing in Russia currently.
blihp 8y ago
Don't plug in the Ethernet or give it your wifi password and even the smartest TV gets dumb really fast. I'm actually going to be plugging mine in soon (only for a little while) just to see who/where it's sending data. Same with a car: don't let it connect via wifi. If it has a cell modem, cancel the service plan. In the unlikely event that there's no plan to cancel, 'mod' it with wire cutters and/or a dremel. (of course this assumes that you own the vehicle rather than lease it)
- pdkl95 8y ago
  SoC devices with built-in LTS/etc cellular support have been available for several years. The only thing stopping a TV from bypassing your LAN is negotiating some sort of cheap bulk-rate, off-peak with the carriers.
  - blihp 8y ago
    Sure, but even with a bulk rate is it economically worth it for them to do so? My understanding is that the current trend in massive data collection has been viable because they've externalized significant costs (i.e. consumers paying for devices and data.) If the company collecting it has to start footing the bill for the data plan, does it still work for most of them? I don't doubt this will change over the long term but am skeptical that it will be in the next 10 years at least... would love to hear if I'm wrong on this. If it does, then I suppose the way to go would be the hardware hack: snip off/ground/shield the antenna or otherwise disrupt/jam it...
- 908087 8y ago
  It's only a matter of time before "smart" TV manufacturers work out a deal with Comcast to use their wifi hotspots, or install 4G connectivity and have their televisions automatically connect with no option for the "owner" to disable it. I sincerely hate everything the "tech" industry has done to society over the past 10 years or so.
- voltagex_ 8y ago
  Depending on who you ask, my 2016-ish Sony is slower or faster depending on if you don't or do connect it to the Internet. A lot of the video processing seems to be done by Mediatek APIs. I'm not sure I'd retain HDR if I was able to disable the "smart" component completely. $1000 TV, $5 SoC from 3 years ago. The last Android update they did was to add more advertising to it! blihp, what I would say if you have an Android TV is see if you can install your own SSL certificates before you connect it. Lots of services are using SSL so you may only be able to pull netflow-style data from it. Also worth seeing if adb is listening on the network or on one of the USB ports.
eiaoa 8y ago
> I hope you'll be able to find one. Finding a decent TV that isn't "smart" is pretty difficult. If you don't want a smart TV you should by a "professional display" (I don't remember the exact term). They're almost exactly like a normal flat-screen, except their designed for always-on operation an lack all the "smart" crap.
- bradknowles 8y ago
  I think it's called a "monitor". ;)
- Karunamon 8y ago
  "digital signage display" is the term you're looking for. A bit of a price premium, though.

weinzierl 8y ago

You won't get a non-connected bicycle even. I'm exaggerating of course, but think about how hard it is to get a decent dumb phone nowadays. Yes there are options, but nothing like in the Nokia 3210 days.

alex_stoddard 8y ago
What are the decent options as of today and from what supplier/retailer? I've been struggling to find exact that - a decent dumb cellular phone.
cdubzzz 8y ago
Tangentially, I wonder if anyone here knows of communities that have cropped up around car hacking. If my next car will basically be a big computer on wheels, I'll be just as interested in the hackability of it as any other electronics I purchase.
- tomatotomato37 8y ago
  Try searching for the groups that reverse-engineer ECU's in order to override them with sportier tunes
  - voltagex_ 8y ago
    The last time I found anything half decent, they'd built it into an app that used IAPs and a "credit" system (just like the decent carrier unlocking for phones).
- lozaning 8y ago
  Car hacking village at DefCon grows every year. Go check it out next year. I'm using some of what I learned and bought from last time to enable my car's steering wheel buttons to control volume and seek on my phone via bluetooth. Also check out these guys: https://comma.ai/ https://comma.ai/ if you buy the right car the entire thing is drive by wire and entirely computer controllable.

nkrisc 8y ago

I'm in the market for a car and will be visiting some dealerships soon. I can already imagine their confusion when all the connected features make it a harder sell for me.