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This is not an argument. You've merely listed things you don't like, punctuated by little insults ("crashing lack of self-awareness", "baby steps").

mcguire 8y ago
Please assume other participants are posting in good faith, even if you disagree with what they say. When people present code or text as their own work, please accept it as their work. Please do not criticize people for wrongs that you only speculate they may have done; stick to what they actually say and actually do. Please do not take a harsh tone towards other participants, and especially don't make personal attacks against them. Go out of your way to show that you are criticizing a statement, not a person.
- tristor 8y ago
  I assume you realize what you're doing, but quoting the text of the CoC to people defending the CoC when they respond to a criticism of any kind and in any fashion of response is exceptionally passive-aggressive to the point of being inappropriate. You've done the same thing in response to multiple commenters on this thread. Perhaps you should try also practicing what you preach?
wpietri 8y ago
Yes, you have correctly detected that I wasn't making an argument. Into the "add comment" box, I put my comment. I think that's fine given that I'm in the target audience for his post. I'm somebody who has been making occasional open-source contributions since the early 90s but who has mainly stayed out of it given that it tolerates a high level of jackassery up to and including outright abuse. This is a good step forward, but a small step done at a point I'd call very late in the game. Is there some specific thing I'm supposed to have an argument on? As far as I can tell, Stallman has had a very "it's my bat and ball" attitude and has for decades, so even if I had some sort of argument, I don't have any impression he'd listen to it. I'm content to let him continue being very Stallmanesque until he retires. I'm much more interested what the younger generation is up to, as I think they're much more plausibly the future of open source than he is.

mcguire 8y ago

Please assume other participants are posting in good faith, even if you disagree with what they say. When people present code or text as their own work, please accept it as their work. Please do not criticize people for wrongs that you only speculate they may have done; stick to what they actually say and actually do. Please do not take a harsh tone towards other participants, and especially don't make personal attacks against them. Go out of your way to show that you are criticizing a statement, not a person.

tristor 8y ago
I assume you realize what you're doing, but quoting the text of the CoC to people defending the CoC when they respond to a criticism of any kind and in any fashion of response is exceptionally passive-aggressive to the point of being inappropriate. You've done the same thing in response to multiple commenters on this thread. Perhaps you should try also practicing what you preach?

wpietri 8y ago

Yes, you have correctly detected that I wasn't making an argument. Into the "add comment" box, I put my comment. I think that's fine given that I'm in the target audience for his post. I'm somebody who has been making occasional open-source contributions since the early 90s but who has mainly stayed out of it given that it tolerates a high level of jackassery up to and including outright abuse. This is a good step forward, but a small step done at a point I'd call very late in the game. Is there some specific thing I'm supposed to have an argument on? As far as I can tell, Stallman has had a very "it's my bat and ball" attitude and has for decades, so even if I had some sort of argument, I don't have any impression he'd listen to it. I'm content to let him continue being very Stallmanesque until he retires. I'm much more interested what the younger generation is up to, as I think they're much more plausibly the future of open source than he is.