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@intelnews https://twitter.com/intelnews/status/1054397715071651841 https://twitter.com/intelnews/status/1054397715071651841 “Media reports published today that

by eksu 8y ago

@intelnews https://twitter.com/intelnews/status/1054397715071651841 https://twitter.com/intelnews/status/1054397715071651841 “Media reports published today that Intel is ending work on the 10nm process are untrue. We are making good progress on 10nm. Yields are improving consistent with the timeline we shared during our last earnings report.”

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jamiek88 8y ago
Charlie at semimaccurate has many, many items broken uncomfortable news about intel and others that has later been proven fully rather than ‘semi accurate’. I know for me he has earned trust so to see this official denial has left me conflicted.
- dragontamer 8y ago
  Unfortunately... the full details are likely behind the paywall. Charlie is usually "fully correct" behind a paywall, but the "teasers" are less accurate and may have a bit of hype or hypotheticals in them. Which is fine: I realize he writes like that so that he can get paid. But still, it means you have to take the rumors he hands out "for free" with a grain of salt. Chances are: "10nm is cancelled" is closer to "some version of 10nm has been cancelled: Intel may be making progress on EUV or some other technology which they will THEN call 10nm in the future." But those details are what matters with regards to Intel's Ice Lake release plans, as well as AMD's plan for Zen2 / EPYC Rome in the upcoming years.
  - phyller 8y ago
    Intel can call a tweaked 14nm "10nm" and probably will. Those designations are just marketing now. The real issues are: Will there be an even greater delay before a significant process improvement, including higher density, lower power consumption, and higher clocks? (Greater than single digit percentage point tweaks) Were billions of dollars of investment largely wasted? Will it require even more investment to get the next node out? By the way, even if it means more delays and more money, it could still be an improvement for Intel if their previous path wasn't working well. But they would be motivated to hide it anyway because they would have hidden all the wasted time and money up to this point and wouldn't want to have to own all that.
jaxtellerSoA 8y ago
Yeah....I don't trust Intel to tell the truth at this point. With their recent i9 Principled Technologies shenanigans, and before that the "Hey look at this new CPU coming" *But we forgot to mention that the demo we showed you was using an industrial chiller. Sure you are still working on 10nm, I believe you. If by "still working on it" you mean you have a skeleton crew figuring out how to dismantle and sell or repurpose your 10nm fabrication line.
- throwaway2048 8y ago
  Not to mention "launching" 10nm with 2 low speed cores on a 4 core die and a busted GPU.
Dunedan 8y ago
Note that they don't state that they still intend to use their 10nm process for volume production.

by eksu 8y ago

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jamiek88 8y ago

Charlie at semimaccurate has many, many items broken uncomfortable news about intel and others that has later been proven fully rather than ‘semi accurate’. I know for me he has earned trust so to see this official denial has left me conflicted.

dragontamer 8y ago
Unfortunately... the full details are likely behind the paywall. Charlie is usually "fully correct" behind a paywall, but the "teasers" are less accurate and may have a bit of hype or hypotheticals in them. Which is fine: I realize he writes like that so that he can get paid. But still, it means you have to take the rumors he hands out "for free" with a grain of salt. Chances are: "10nm is cancelled" is closer to "some version of 10nm has been cancelled: Intel may be making progress on EUV or some other technology which they will THEN call 10nm in the future." But those details are what matters with regards to Intel's Ice Lake release plans, as well as AMD's plan for Zen2 / EPYC Rome in the upcoming years.
- phyller 8y ago
  Intel can call a tweaked 14nm "10nm" and probably will. Those designations are just marketing now. The real issues are: Will there be an even greater delay before a significant process improvement, including higher density, lower power consumption, and higher clocks? (Greater than single digit percentage point tweaks) Were billions of dollars of investment largely wasted? Will it require even more investment to get the next node out? By the way, even if it means more delays and more money, it could still be an improvement for Intel if their previous path wasn't working well. But they would be motivated to hide it anyway because they would have hidden all the wasted time and money up to this point and wouldn't want to have to own all that.

jaxtellerSoA 8y ago

Yeah....I don't trust Intel to tell the truth at this point. With their recent i9 Principled Technologies shenanigans, and before that the "Hey look at this new CPU coming" *But we forgot to mention that the demo we showed you was using an industrial chiller. Sure you are still working on 10nm, I believe you. If by "still working on it" you mean you have a skeleton crew figuring out how to dismantle and sell or repurpose your 10nm fabrication line.

throwaway2048 8y ago
Not to mention "launching" 10nm with 2 low speed cores on a 4 core die and a busted GPU.

Dunedan 8y ago

Note that they don't state that they still intend to use their 10nm process for volume production.