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An interesting mirroring of the popular CoCs these days. While they enshrine what one could call "San Francisco Democrat" values, this CoC enshrines christian c
by mikl 8y ago
An interesting mirroring of the popular CoCs these days. While they enshrine what one could call "San Francisco Democrat" values, this CoC enshrines christian conservative values.
If you think value-based CoCs are fine, you shouldn't have a problem with this.
- drngdds 8y agoBecause I'm not a complete moral relativist, I think there is a difference between good values and bad values
- mikl 8y agoThat's almost a tautology. Everyone find their own values good, and other people's values less good (if not downright bad). In any case, you might have gained some understanding of why other people get upset, when _your_ values are imposed on them.
- sagichmal 8y agoAnd those people are wrong. It's OK, and necessary, for human beings to make ethical judgments. The correct position is one that minimizes suffering, not one that absolves itself of the responsibility to make difficult choices, in deference to some arbitrary, inhumane objectivity.
- archagon 8y agoIf you are equivocating this CoC to Republican conservative values, you are laughably wrong.
- mikl 8y agoI did not say Republican. Nor did I mean Republican.
- joshberkus 8y agoThey're certainly Christian values, but they're not "conservative", at least not by the American definition. I'll point you to these tenets: * Relieve the poor. * Clothe the naked. * Visit the sick. ... those seem like "liberal values" to me, at least on the American spectrum.
- anbro 8y agoI think they can be both - the liberal vs conservative part is merely the means by which you do so - do you vote small parts of other people's property to the task or do you donate your own property voluntarily to the task. And lest this seem like a conservative jab - it is not intended in any such manner - I willingly admit that in those times the system worked completely different than it does now in ways that would create a great deal of consternation in both modern liberals AND conservatives.
- clarkmoody 8y agoChrist never advocates for the state to do anything. These are individual commands.
- manicdee 8y agoChrist does exhort his followers to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and Democrats believe the state acts on behalf of the populace to perform tasks that we individually could not do. So a community can clothe and house the poor better than an individual can. Clothing and housing are artefacts of this world, not the kingdom of Christ. Ergo rendering unto Caesar what is caesar’s involves providing clothing and housing to those who do not have it, with the state as proxy and effort multiplier.
- clarkmoody 8y agoYeah, the "render unto Caesar" episode was so much deeper than just "pay your taxes." Also, whatever the state does, it accomplishes through the threat of violence to collect taxes. For a Christian, the ends are as important as the means.
- stupidbird 8y agoOf course value-based CoCs are fine. The problem with this isn't the content, it's the fact that they're using the content because they fundamentally disagree with codes of conduct.
- mikl 8y agoSo you would be fine if projects started adoping CoCs like these, if they did so seriously?
- stupidbird 8y agoTheir house, their rules. I can choose to not participate.
- drb91 8y agoWhat values are you referring to?
- mikl 8y agoBy "San Francisco Democrat"? I mean the values held by the average Democrat-voting San Franciscan.
- drb91 8y ago...capitalism?
- mikl 8y agoSo what is the game here? Put a random noun between "…" and "?"? Let me try: …airhockey?
- drb91 8y agoAre you trying to communicate or be a dick? The only universal value I am aware of in san francisco is capitalism.
- mikl 8y agoI would ask the same thing of you. Are you playing dumb or are you really not aware that SF is kinda out there on the U.S. left wing? If I, a european who've only visited the U.S. a handful of times, know more of U.S. politics than you do, I really don't know what to say.
- woolvalley 8y ago'Rule of Saint Francisco' :D
- roguecoder 8y agoBy "San Francisco Democrat" do you mean "gay people exist and are fine"? Or "women are an equal part of society"? I'm having trouble unraveling your dogwhistle here.