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by chippy 8y ago

Discussion on the sqlite-users mailing list: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.html http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.h... From Richard: "Yes. Clients were encouraging me to have a code of conduct. (Having a CoC seems to be a trendy thing nowadays.) So I looked around and came up with what you found, submitted the idea to the whole staff, and everybody approved."

swebs 8y ago
Someone should also point him here: https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC
- simias 8y ago
  I don't care much for CoCs but the tone of the README makes me think that the author is the type of people CoCs are written for (or against). A page long strawman rant. If you don't care about CoC then don't have one. Don't use this passive aggressive "let me write a thousand word essay to let you know how much I don't care about or have time to deal with CoCs". >However, if someone tells you you are stupid, or wrong. Stop. Think. Does this have anything to do with your race, region, religion, or anything else not related to this project? This is a tricky one. Have you considered, that they are either having a bad day, are a bad listener, or possibly, you are wrong? If you feel you're not wrong, please, by all means, reply. If I call somebody stupid in the context of a technical contribution to a project then I'm being unprofessional and out of line. Doesn't mean that I should automatically be executed publicly but I don't see why it should be the person being insulted who should introspect to figure out what I meant exactly. Oh and if I contribute to your project and you call me stupid I can assure you that I won't reply, I'll get out of here as fast as I can and never return.
simias 8y ago
Leaving aside the religious aspect of the CoC which are probably going to be controversial the other rules are actually fairly common sense. A few that caught my eye: > Do not give way to anger. > Do not nurse a grudge. > Do not entertain deceit in your heart. > Do not give a false peace. > Do not swear, for fear of perjuring yourself. > Utter only truth from heart and mouth. > Do not return evil for evil. > Be not a grumbler. > Be not a detractor. > Hate no one. > Be not jealous, nor harbor envy. > Do not love quarreling. > Shun arrogance. > Respect your seniors. > Love your juniors. > Make peace with your adversary before the sun sets. Good rules to live by IMO.
- stephenr 8y ago
  > Respect your seniors How about just "respect people". I've literally seen how "respect your seniors" plays out in reality: any idea from new/junior team members is effectively ignored, because they're not 'senior' enough.
  - diddid 8y ago
    Seriously? The next point is “love your juniors” so what you are saying shouldn’t happen. But then again... I think loving your juniors usually ends up with HR.
    - stephenr 8y ago
      love !== respect.
      - diddid 8y ago
        love == respect
        alexmat 8y ago
        I love peanut butter.
        baud147258 8y ago
        I love my brother, but I don't respect him (most of the time), since he's a bit of dork. I still love him, because of our relationship, the shared experiences and the knowledge he'd be here when I need him. I respect my boss, because she's my senior, she is a good leader and a competent dev in her own right. But I don't love her.
    - Yetanfou 8y ago
      Ah, but it doesn't state you should love those of equal age or standing - depending on how you interpret 'junior' and 'senior' so there is still some room for complaints here. Not serious, of course, if any 'CoC' is needed I'd say "just behave" or "do not do unto others what you wouldn't have done upon yourself" should suffice. Rule #9 in the Rule of St. Benedict already states something similar, now just get rid of the rest and you're done.
tchalla 8y ago
On 19 Oct 2018, at 6:26pm http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.html http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.h... > Yeah, that's gonna magically appear on Hacker News within the month. For those curious ...

by chippy 8y ago

swebs 8y ago

Someone should also point him here: https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC

simias 8y ago
I don't care much for CoCs but the tone of the README makes me think that the author is the type of people CoCs are written for (or against). A page long strawman rant. If you don't care about CoC then don't have one. Don't use this passive aggressive "let me write a thousand word essay to let you know how much I don't care about or have time to deal with CoCs". >However, if someone tells you you are stupid, or wrong. Stop. Think. Does this have anything to do with your race, region, religion, or anything else not related to this project? This is a tricky one. Have you considered, that they are either having a bad day, are a bad listener, or possibly, you are wrong? If you feel you're not wrong, please, by all means, reply. If I call somebody stupid in the context of a technical contribution to a project then I'm being unprofessional and out of line. Doesn't mean that I should automatically be executed publicly but I don't see why it should be the person being insulted who should introspect to figure out what I meant exactly. Oh and if I contribute to your project and you call me stupid I can assure you that I won't reply, I'll get out of here as fast as I can and never return.

simias 8y ago

Leaving aside the religious aspect of the CoC which are probably going to be controversial the other rules are actually fairly common sense. A few that caught my eye: > Do not give way to anger. > Do not nurse a grudge. > Do not entertain deceit in your heart. > Do not give a false peace. > Do not swear, for fear of perjuring yourself. > Utter only truth from heart and mouth. > Do not return evil for evil. > Be not a grumbler. > Be not a detractor. > Hate no one. > Be not jealous, nor harbor envy. > Do not love quarreling. > Shun arrogance. > Respect your seniors. > Love your juniors. > Make peace with your adversary before the sun sets. Good rules to live by IMO.

stephenr 8y ago
> Respect your seniors How about just "respect people". I've literally seen how "respect your seniors" plays out in reality: any idea from new/junior team members is effectively ignored, because they're not 'senior' enough.
- diddid 8y ago
  Seriously? The next point is “love your juniors” so what you are saying shouldn’t happen. But then again... I think loving your juniors usually ends up with HR.
  - stephenr 8y ago
    love !== respect.
    - diddid 8y ago
      love == respect
      - alexmat 8y ago
        I love peanut butter.
      - baud147258 8y ago
        I love my brother, but I don't respect him (most of the time), since he's a bit of dork. I still love him, because of our relationship, the shared experiences and the knowledge he'd be here when I need him. I respect my boss, because she's my senior, she is a good leader and a competent dev in her own right. But I don't love her.
  - Yetanfou 8y ago
    Ah, but it doesn't state you should love those of equal age or standing - depending on how you interpret 'junior' and 'senior' so there is still some room for complaints here. Not serious, of course, if any 'CoC' is needed I'd say "just behave" or "do not do unto others what you wouldn't have done upon yourself" should suffice. Rule #9 in the Rule of St. Benedict already states something similar, now just get rid of the rest and you're done.

tchalla 8y ago

On 19 Oct 2018, at 6:26pm http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.html http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.h... > Yeah, that's gonna magically appear on Hacker News within the month. For those curious ...