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This article is super deceptive, these two bugs are completely unrelated, and the one still standing is pretty obscure: 1. You're extracting a Zip file and int

This article is super deceptive, these two bugs are completely unrelated, and the one still standing is pretty obscure: 1. You're extracting a Zip file and intend to overwrite your own data 2. The data isn't overwritten, but it doesn't tell you about it 3. You delete the Zip file, thinking that it's extracted. I'm not discounting that this is a Bug, but I can't think of a time I would've ever lost data because of this, and relating it to the upgrade bugs seem downright deceptive

SilasX 8y ago
You’ve never edited a file and rezipped it? I did that a lot in the nand2tetris course, where you upload zips. This would be a nasty surprise when the other party carries on as if you send the old while you think you sent the new. Probably would have been testing my hear out on the course. And I don’t get your attitude. The data is still gone. The fact that it’s unrelated to the original bug isn’t any kind of comfort.
- SilasX 8y ago
  Aha, this explains it: >Developer tools at Facebook
dx87 8y ago
I know it was an error on my part, but I lost an updated password database file because of unexpected behavior with the Windows file explorer. I had mainly been working out of a single folder, so I didn't realize the next time that I opened the file explorer that it was showing me "quick access" since the file list was populated with the contents of the one folder I was using. I dragged the updated database file to the explorer window, and didn't get any notification. I'd thought it had overwritten the old file without warning, so I deleted the updated file I had dragged over. When I went to load the database, I saw it was missing recently added passwords, so I opened the explorer window and realized that it defaulted to quick access and silently ignores any drag and drop file copying.
- gmueckl 8y ago
  This shows what a steamimg pile of incoherent features and behaviours the Windows Explorer has been gradually turned into since Windows 7. It is quite hard for average users to coax that tool into showing an actually honest content of some directory on the hard drive. There are so many abstractions, redirections, alternative view and on the fly translations (only obvious with languages other than English) in there that the very thing it is supposed to be good at becomes cumbersome and error prone. And you cannot easily disable all these things that just tend to get in the way. If anyone who is working on that program reads this: please rein in this madness and turn the Explorer back into a decent and simple file manager without abstactions and lies to the usera
  - wvenable 8y ago
    Microsoft seems to think users are idiots. And often they are. But you can't help these people, every solution they come up just creates more idiots who don't know how it works. Some point soon we'll all be idiots who don't know how anything works anymore.
    - gmueckl 8y ago
      Maybe you can make computers easier to use by providing abstracted, context-dependent views of the data instead. Mobile phones rely on that prerty successfully. But they also do not merge these views with the single file manager the system has. Therein lies the true madness of the Windows Explorer in my oppinion. If you want to have a view for the barely computer literate average user, (ab-)use the myriad predefined folders in the user profiles and create a launcher for dummies that starts a comtact manager for the address book, a photo gallery for the photos and so on. And hide a file manager in this set of tools that has no stupid extras like forced OneDrive integration and Libraries.
      - wvenable 8y ago
        Mobile iOS don't abstract complexity; they don't have complexity. Mobile apps are just silo's that can barely communicate with each other. Nobody working on a PC wants that. You cannot simultaneously give people the power to work on files between multiple apps, organize them how they want, and make it as dumb as iOS. You want to zip up your photos and email them to your boss? Good luck getting your photo gallery to do that.
Waterluvian 8y ago
This would hose me daily if I used windows. Not best practice but the real world has dictated that on occasion we extract data, modify it, re zip it, and ship it off to the product.
tinus_hn 8y ago
But it does gather clicks!
gpvos 8y ago
Not obscure at all; this is daily practice.

SilasX 8y ago

You’ve never edited a file and rezipped it? I did that a lot in the nand2tetris course, where you upload zips. This would be a nasty surprise when the other party carries on as if you send the old while you think you sent the new. Probably would have been testing my hear out on the course. And I don’t get your attitude. The data is still gone. The fact that it’s unrelated to the original bug isn’t any kind of comfort.

SilasX 8y ago
Aha, this explains it: >Developer tools at Facebook

dx87 8y ago

I know it was an error on my part, but I lost an updated password database file because of unexpected behavior with the Windows file explorer. I had mainly been working out of a single folder, so I didn't realize the next time that I opened the file explorer that it was showing me "quick access" since the file list was populated with the contents of the one folder I was using. I dragged the updated database file to the explorer window, and didn't get any notification. I'd thought it had overwritten the old file without warning, so I deleted the updated file I had dragged over. When I went to load the database, I saw it was missing recently added passwords, so I opened the explorer window and realized that it defaulted to quick access and silently ignores any drag and drop file copying.

gmueckl 8y ago
This shows what a steamimg pile of incoherent features and behaviours the Windows Explorer has been gradually turned into since Windows 7. It is quite hard for average users to coax that tool into showing an actually honest content of some directory on the hard drive. There are so many abstractions, redirections, alternative view and on the fly translations (only obvious with languages other than English) in there that the very thing it is supposed to be good at becomes cumbersome and error prone. And you cannot easily disable all these things that just tend to get in the way. If anyone who is working on that program reads this: please rein in this madness and turn the Explorer back into a decent and simple file manager without abstactions and lies to the usera
- wvenable 8y ago
  Microsoft seems to think users are idiots. And often they are. But you can't help these people, every solution they come up just creates more idiots who don't know how it works. Some point soon we'll all be idiots who don't know how anything works anymore.
  - gmueckl 8y ago
    Maybe you can make computers easier to use by providing abstracted, context-dependent views of the data instead. Mobile phones rely on that prerty successfully. But they also do not merge these views with the single file manager the system has. Therein lies the true madness of the Windows Explorer in my oppinion. If you want to have a view for the barely computer literate average user, (ab-)use the myriad predefined folders in the user profiles and create a launcher for dummies that starts a comtact manager for the address book, a photo gallery for the photos and so on. And hide a file manager in this set of tools that has no stupid extras like forced OneDrive integration and Libraries.
    - wvenable 8y ago
      Mobile iOS don't abstract complexity; they don't have complexity. Mobile apps are just silo's that can barely communicate with each other. Nobody working on a PC wants that. You cannot simultaneously give people the power to work on files between multiple apps, organize them how they want, and make it as dumb as iOS. You want to zip up your photos and email them to your boss? Good luck getting your photo gallery to do that.

Waterluvian 8y ago

This would hose me daily if I used windows. Not best practice but the real world has dictated that on occasion we extract data, modify it, re zip it, and ship it off to the product.

tinus_hn 8y ago

But it does gather clicks!

gpvos 8y ago

Not obscure at all; this is daily practice.