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If you don't like it, don't buy it. Seems super simple to me. Let customers vote with their wallets.

by comboy 8y ago

ergothus 8y ago
So first sale doctrine means nothing? We should all investigate the restrictions on how we use the device before buying? I'm fine if we conclude "yes", but it is worth noticing that this is not the "norm" for most of human history and so the question is entirely reasonable to ask.
- comboy 8y ago
  Instead of going sophisticated way I would just say - read some reviews before buying. Fake reviews are a problem for a separate discussion, but they should give you some idea on probability of having some problems and difficulty of solving them. In this case I think most people who buy Apple products are not really looking for the cheapest parts and repair costs. They pay extra for the experience they want to get.
  - stale2002 8y ago
    Or instead of that, we could assert our legal rights and sue everyone who breaks them. And if the laws don't do what we want, we should change them to make such things illegal. If Apple doesn't want to lose money then they should follow the law. I'd say the same thing to a company selling poisoned food. "Just don't buy it" isn't a valid argument. The valid argument is instead "companies that break the law should be fined, sued, or people should go to jail". That's democracy for you!
    - comboy 8y ago
      I agree with you. It's just that I also believe that we should have as few laws as possible. Complexity of our society is not easy to capture in a strict rules and law is already so complicated that even those who devote their lives to study it find it overwhelming. So whatever rules you create (and I'd say there are too many of them already), huge legal team at Apple will work their way through them. It won't be easy for a small startup though.
- paulcole 8y ago
  How are you defining first sale doctrine here?
syshum 8y ago
So then you oppose the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, you believe that car dealers should be allowed to deny you a warrany claim because you had your car serviced at some place other than the dealership If you do not like that policy you should just choose not to buy a car? Seem like a terrible, anti-consumer position to me

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Seems super simple to me. Let customers vote with their wallets.

by comboy 8y ago

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Seems super simple to me. Let customers vote with their wallets.

So first sale doctrine means nothing? We should all investigate the restrictions on how we use the device before buying? I'm fine if we conclude "yes", but it is worth noticing that this is not the "norm" for most of human history and so the question is entirely reasonable to ask.

comboy 8y ago
Instead of going sophisticated way I would just say - read some reviews before buying. Fake reviews are a problem for a separate discussion, but they should give you some idea on probability of having some problems and difficulty of solving them. In this case I think most people who buy Apple products are not really looking for the cheapest parts and repair costs. They pay extra for the experience they want to get.
- stale2002 8y ago
  Or instead of that, we could assert our legal rights and sue everyone who breaks them. And if the laws don't do what we want, we should change them to make such things illegal. If Apple doesn't want to lose money then they should follow the law. I'd say the same thing to a company selling poisoned food. "Just don't buy it" isn't a valid argument. The valid argument is instead "companies that break the law should be fined, sued, or people should go to jail". That's democracy for you!
  - comboy 8y ago
    I agree with you. It's just that I also believe that we should have as few laws as possible. Complexity of our society is not easy to capture in a strict rules and law is already so complicated that even those who devote their lives to study it find it overwhelming. So whatever rules you create (and I'd say there are too many of them already), huge legal team at Apple will work their way through them. It won't be easy for a small startup though.
paulcole 8y ago
How are you defining first sale doctrine here?

syshum 8y ago

So then you oppose the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, you believe that car dealers should be allowed to deny you a warrany claim because you had your car serviced at some place other than the dealership If you do not like that policy you should just choose not to buy a car? Seem like a terrible, anti-consumer position to me