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Sigh, still hoping for the day it means Hurd with GNU toolchain...

by badosu 8y ago

aargh_aargh 8y ago
That ship has sailed, bro... https://i.imgflip.com/1nh3qo.jpg https://i.imgflip.com/1nh3qo.jpg
2trill2spill 8y ago
If you don't mind me asking why Hurd? Is it because it's a microkernel? or is there other things I'm missing?
- badosu 8y ago
  I hope someday it can work with modern hardware. When I read the headline I was expecting some benchmark tests related to it. Imagine a world where you could just change your kernel via `pacman -R linux && pacman -S hurd` and have a good fallback should ever linux not be a desirable option, or at least to have some competition. Having a free microkernel implementation retrocompatible with linux would give enough user data to settle the monolytical vs. microkernel debate, who knows which niche applications would it be ideal for? Mission critical software, realtime processing, embedded software, small reliable image containers, a fresh bench for new OS developments? There's also the social aspect of how linux is currently developed, what would happen without Linus strong leadership? I am sure there's a very capable team there, but sometimes only technical proficiency is not enough. Would a fragmented leadership handle the NSA's attempted breaches as well? Having a separate project that can handle the same applications would be good in my opinion. Bonus points for getting rid of that (GNU[+-/])?Linux bullshit.
- flukus 8y ago
  Having had to work on a locked down linux (stupid corporate rules) system for the last couple of months the dedication to user freedom sounds enticing: https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/community/weblogs/ArneBab/technical-advantages-of-the-hurd.html https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/community/weblogs/ArneBab/... . As a user being able to install packages without root and start my own services and mount network drives without root would make my life a lot easier.
  - berti 8y ago
    Polkit already allows regular users to manage services [1]. Of course that would require the admins responsible for the system to set it up in such a way. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Polkit#Allow_management_of_individual_systemd_units_by_regular_users https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Polkit#Allow_management...
  - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
    > As a user being able to install packages without root and start my own services The future is today:) Nix is a package manager that can run without root. Gentoo prefix installs are an option. Or if you want something more traditional, proot can run a decent number of distros. Maybe also fakeroot? Haven't tried that personally. No idea if there's a FUSE module for NFS/CIFS, though sshfs is a thing.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      There are ways to prevent users to run any kind of executable from $HOME.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
        Oh, you have a policy problem rather than a technical problem. In that case, I'm not sure how it would help to have a system where user control was normal, since invariably it would be locked down in exactly the same way. I don't think HURD will prevent mounting /home with noexec.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        I am not the OP, and by the way, mounting /home with noexec isn't the only way to prevent execution. :)
  - jcelerier 8y ago
    > As a user being able to install packages without root and start my own services and mount network drives without root would make my life a lot easier. ... but that's not a problem of linux, that's a problem of your company rules. They would put similar rules whatever the OS.

Sigh, still hoping for the day it means Hurd with GNU toolchain...

by badosu 8y ago

Sigh, still hoping for the day it means Hurd with GNU toolchain...

aargh_aargh 8y ago

That ship has sailed, bro... https://i.imgflip.com/1nh3qo.jpg https://i.imgflip.com/1nh3qo.jpg

2trill2spill 8y ago

If you don't mind me asking why Hurd? Is it because it's a microkernel? or is there other things I'm missing?

badosu 8y ago
I hope someday it can work with modern hardware. When I read the headline I was expecting some benchmark tests related to it. Imagine a world where you could just change your kernel via `pacman -R linux && pacman -S hurd` and have a good fallback should ever linux not be a desirable option, or at least to have some competition. Having a free microkernel implementation retrocompatible with linux would give enough user data to settle the monolytical vs. microkernel debate, who knows which niche applications would it be ideal for? Mission critical software, realtime processing, embedded software, small reliable image containers, a fresh bench for new OS developments? There's also the social aspect of how linux is currently developed, what would happen without Linus strong leadership? I am sure there's a very capable team there, but sometimes only technical proficiency is not enough. Would a fragmented leadership handle the NSA's attempted breaches as well? Having a separate project that can handle the same applications would be good in my opinion. Bonus points for getting rid of that (GNU[+-/])?Linux bullshit.
flukus 8y ago
Having had to work on a locked down linux (stupid corporate rules) system for the last couple of months the dedication to user freedom sounds enticing: https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/community/weblogs/ArneBab/technical-advantages-of-the-hurd.html https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/community/weblogs/ArneBab/... . As a user being able to install packages without root and start my own services and mount network drives without root would make my life a lot easier.
- berti 8y ago
  Polkit already allows regular users to manage services [1]. Of course that would require the admins responsible for the system to set it up in such a way. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Polkit#Allow_management_of_individual_systemd_units_by_regular_users https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Polkit#Allow_management...
- yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
  > As a user being able to install packages without root and start my own services The future is today:) Nix is a package manager that can run without root. Gentoo prefix installs are an option. Or if you want something more traditional, proot can run a decent number of distros. Maybe also fakeroot? Haven't tried that personally. No idea if there's a FUSE module for NFS/CIFS, though sshfs is a thing.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    There are ways to prevent users to run any kind of executable from $HOME.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
      Oh, you have a policy problem rather than a technical problem. In that case, I'm not sure how it would help to have a system where user control was normal, since invariably it would be locked down in exactly the same way. I don't think HURD will prevent mounting /home with noexec.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        I am not the OP, and by the way, mounting /home with noexec isn't the only way to prevent execution. :)
- jcelerier 8y ago
  > As a user being able to install packages without root and start my own services and mount network drives without root would make my life a lot easier. ... but that's not a problem of linux, that's a problem of your company rules. They would put similar rules whatever the OS.