> they still produce more calories per input than beef and pork. True, but irrelevant. I never said anything about meat. Since the advent of agriculture until

> they still produce more calories per input than beef and pork. True, but irrelevant. I never said anything about meat. Since the advent of agriculture until modernity, most humans ate very little meat, this is definitely true. > Most views are 2x - 4x people fed per acre from plants versus meats, with milk and eggs splitting the middle. True, but irrelevant as well. Not only I never said anything about meat, but the discussion here is about milk vs. vegetables. Plants today are better yields in terms of calories per acre due to fertilizers being abundant, pesticides being available, and cultivars having been improved for better yields. However, it is irrelevant for the discussion at hand, because the plants that are better than milk are corn, soy, etc., not vegetables.