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Joachim Roenneberg, who foiled Nazi nuclear plan, has died
- rurounijones 8y agoRay Mears did a fantastic documentary on this subject called the "Real Heroes of Telemark" - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499247/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499247/ which really shows how hard it was to just survive in that landscape. Highly recommended viewing (I believe you can find it on youtube).
- celticninja 8y agoI remember watching the movie as a kid and being enthralled by the tale.
- flurdy 8y agoThat was "The Heroes of Telemark" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059263/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059263/ from 1965 staring Kirk Douglas. Ray Mears documentary from 2003 on the real heroes is excellent. I love Ray Mears. A few years a big budget TV series was also released "The Saboteurs" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3280150/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3280150/ It is very good.
- classicsnoot 8y agoThe operation to blow up the heavy water plant, as well as a lot of Roennberg's other work, is covered in The Allies Strike Back, 1941-1943 by James Holland.
- whatshisface 8y agoThe Nazis could never have sustained the industrial efforts required to produce a nuclear weapon. Heavy water is (in comparison) easy to isolate, and can be bought and sold freely in the west today. [0] http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=135 http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&pr... [1] https://www.isowater.com/purchase/ https://www.isowater.com/purchase/ [2] https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/151882?lang=en®ion=US https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/151882?...
- person_of_color 8y agoHindsight is 20/20.
- ionised 8y agoIsn't that why they occupied Norway though, for heavy water?
- qubex 8y agoNo. The Germans occupied Norway because most of their iron ore supplies (vital in wartime) came from deposits in northern Norway and because the long coastline was ideal for placing U-boot bases to harass shipping bringing in goods to the UK on a northern route. In some sense it was a “preventive occupation” because Britain and France were obviously eyeing some kind of interdiction.
- woodandsteel 8y agoThe German nuclear weapon program had a number of fundamental flaws, according the Wikipedia article on it, and so I assume it would have failed to produce a weapon even if Roennenberg's raid had not taken place. However, at the time no one on the Allied side knew this, and so it made sense to launch the raid.
- pistachiopro 8y agoLoosely related, here's a transcript of the reactions of 10 prominent German nuclear physicists upon hearing the U.S. forces dropped the first atomic bomb: http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English101.pdf http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English101.pdf The scientists, including Heisenberg, Wirtz, and Hahn, had apparently been captured and detained in a bugged house in England, in an attempt to learn more about German nuclear capabilities. It's fascinating to see the varying responses amongst the scientists, from relief that they weren't the ones to actually implement the bomb, to a seeming sense of frustration to having "lost" to the American scientists in figuring out how to do it.
- archgoon 8y agoHeisenburg's response is part of the evidence that he really had flubbed, and overestimated the amount of nuclear material needed for a reaction.
- verelo 8y ago"WIRTZ: It seems to me that the political situation for STALIN has changed completely now. WEIZSÄCKER: I hope so. STALIN certainly has not got it yet. If the Americans and the British were good Imperialists they would attack STALIN with the thing tomorrow, but they won't do that, they will use it as a political weapon. Of course that is good, but the result will be a peace which will last until the Russians have it, and then there is bound to be war" That is a pretty great summary of the potential dangers of the Cold War, also interesting in the context of the US pulling out of the nuclear arms deal with Russia today.
- brokenmachine 8y agoWow, that was super interesting. Amazing to have that on the historical record.
- PhasmaFelis 8y agoAmused that the article calls heavy water "a hydrogen-rich substance". As far as I'm aware it has exactly the same amount of hydrogen as regular water, by definition. Presumably the author was going for "neutron-rich" but misremembered.
- linuxguru 8y agoThe importance of Heavy Water for the Nazi weapons-development program is overstated. They could simply have used graphite (carbon) as a moderator, as the early Manhattan project breeder reactors did. However, they had made a measurement error on the neutron-absorption cross-section of Carbon, showing it as too high for use as an efficient moderator, hence they went on a wild-goose chase to separate Heavy Water by electrolysis, for use as a moderator using the Norsk Hydro plants at Norway, which were eventually destroyed by Allied sabotage and bombing. All this rigmarole was therefore due to a small laboratory-methods error by some little-known German scientist (probably contamination of his carbon samples with a trace element like Boron or Cadmium). Graphite was readily available in Axis territory - a few more tests would likely have found a purer source without Boron contamination.
- Nasrudith 8y agoOf course Nazi Germany didn't know that. Destroying their wild goose chase is ironically still helpful in getting them to divert more resources replacing it.
- Thlom 8y agoBy the end of the war Rønneberg and a small team camped out in a tiny cabin in the mountains hiding from the Germans and planning sabotage missions agains German supply lines. The cabin was rebuilt by Rønneberg in the early 1990s and given to the Hiking association which still maintains it. For a small fee you can spend the night, highly recommended. Pictures: https://www.ut.no/hytte/3.1381/ https://www.ut.no/hytte/3.1381/