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could you discuss further why you believe vegetable oils to be ubhealthy? foods?

deialtrous 8y ago
Because all available evidence shows that seed oils, which have only been consumed for 100 years and were previously used for paints, lubricants, water-proofing, etc., are highly correlated with a number of inflammatory disease processes, including type 2 diabetes. Which makes sense, as polyunsaturated fats undergo lipid peroxidation in our bodies, which releases free radicals.
- your-nanny 8y ago
  how are these different than consuming seeds and nuts directly? eg walnuts, sunflower, peanuts etc
  - deialtrous 8y ago
    Sorry, I didn't notice your reply before. It is different in that you're getting fewer of the antioxidants naturally found in nuts and seeds to slow down the rancidification process. You are also getting it in all kinds of things from bread to seasonings to supposed "dairy" products, so your exposure is much higher. And finally, nuts in shell are protected from oxidation by a skin and the shell, so they are less rancid when you eat them. Seed oils tend to be quite rancid already when you purchase them. I am not sure that eating nuts is a good idea in the first place though. Things that plants don't want to be eaten and put toxins in to prevent from being eaten aren't high on my list of "probably good eating".
calvano915 8y ago
Humans require n-3 and n-6 fats in our diet. These tended to be consumed in equal ratios until the advent of vegetable oils which increased the n-6 intake dramatically. As the other post mentions, research has found that this intake pattern leads to high levels of inflammation, which contribute to cardiovascular disease and other ailments.
- your-nanny 8y ago
  I'm sorry but could you point me to actual research articles. most neta analyses I've found indicate a cardioprotective effect of n-6 polyusaturated oils relative to alternatives. eg https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo...

Because all available evidence shows that seed oils, which have only been consumed for 100 years and were previously used for paints, lubricants, water-proofing, etc., are highly correlated with a number of inflammatory disease processes, including type 2 diabetes. Which makes sense, as polyunsaturated fats undergo lipid peroxidation in our bodies, which releases free radicals.

your-nanny 8y ago
how are these different than consuming seeds and nuts directly? eg walnuts, sunflower, peanuts etc
- deialtrous 8y ago
  Sorry, I didn't notice your reply before. It is different in that you're getting fewer of the antioxidants naturally found in nuts and seeds to slow down the rancidification process. You are also getting it in all kinds of things from bread to seasonings to supposed "dairy" products, so your exposure is much higher. And finally, nuts in shell are protected from oxidation by a skin and the shell, so they are less rancid when you eat them. Seed oils tend to be quite rancid already when you purchase them. I am not sure that eating nuts is a good idea in the first place though. Things that plants don't want to be eaten and put toxins in to prevent from being eaten aren't high on my list of "probably good eating".

calvano915 8y ago

Humans require n-3 and n-6 fats in our diet. These tended to be consumed in equal ratios until the advent of vegetable oils which increased the n-6 intake dramatically. As the other post mentions, research has found that this intake pattern leads to high levels of inflammation, which contribute to cardiovascular disease and other ailments.

your-nanny 8y ago
I'm sorry but could you point me to actual research articles. most neta analyses I've found indicate a cardioprotective effect of n-6 polyusaturated oils relative to alternatives. eg https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo...