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So, basically ignore the result if you don't like it? The Bolsheviks also gave fair elections a shot....one shot....one and done.

twtw 8y ago
Yes, as it was a nonbinding referendum to see if there was support for leaving the EU, come up with a report showing some numbers that indicate the estimated impact and run the whole thing again.
- claydavisss 8y ago
  and if Stay wins, of course the result will be treated as Final?
  - jimnotgym 8y ago
    As much as the 1975 referendum to join was final!
  - twtw 8y ago
    If a future referendum indicated that there was no longer support for leaving the EU, then yes, the government would not be in a position where it needed to take further action - call that "treating it as final" if you wish. Of course, in the future it could be reevaluated, using the same approach that led to the 2016 referendum to leave the EU. Heck, we have confirmation dialogs when you close a word document - I don't understand the opposition to having an "are you sure you want to quit?" for brexit. Brexit is a pretty major decision, and it's not unreasonable to me to require that the majority that voted for it is in fact stable and consistent via holding a second vote. If the second vote does not indicate that a majority supports leaving, that seems like an indication that it was a fantastic idea to hold a second referendum.
  - Piskvorrr 8y ago
    The British Empire was final, as were the other colonial powers; the Soviet Union was eternal, the Third Reich was supposed to last a 1000 years. Meanwhile, shift happens.
- jimnotgym 8y ago
  Indeed, referendums cannot be binding in the UK, because that would be taking sovereignty away from parliament. There have only ever been 3 national referendums in Britain. One to join the EU, one to leave the EU, and one over Alternative Vote. They used to be considered unconstitutional, a tool for demagogues. I would be happy to ditch them forever.
NeedMoreTea 8y ago
The primary leave slogan was "Take back control" to the UK parliament. What control does parliament have if a referendum is binding? We either have a direct democracy, or a representative democracy, not bits of each as suits someone's point. Up until the first EU referendum in the mid 70s they were considered unconstitutional in Britain.
dang 8y ago
Would you please stop taking HN threads in flamey directions? Hopping straight to Bolshevism is a perfect example.

twtw 8y ago

Yes, as it was a nonbinding referendum to see if there was support for leaving the EU, come up with a report showing some numbers that indicate the estimated impact and run the whole thing again.

claydavisss 8y ago
and if Stay wins, of course the result will be treated as Final?
- jimnotgym 8y ago
  As much as the 1975 referendum to join was final!
- twtw 8y ago
  If a future referendum indicated that there was no longer support for leaving the EU, then yes, the government would not be in a position where it needed to take further action - call that "treating it as final" if you wish. Of course, in the future it could be reevaluated, using the same approach that led to the 2016 referendum to leave the EU. Heck, we have confirmation dialogs when you close a word document - I don't understand the opposition to having an "are you sure you want to quit?" for brexit. Brexit is a pretty major decision, and it's not unreasonable to me to require that the majority that voted for it is in fact stable and consistent via holding a second vote. If the second vote does not indicate that a majority supports leaving, that seems like an indication that it was a fantastic idea to hold a second referendum.
- Piskvorrr 8y ago
  The British Empire was final, as were the other colonial powers; the Soviet Union was eternal, the Third Reich was supposed to last a 1000 years. Meanwhile, shift happens.
jimnotgym 8y ago
Indeed, referendums cannot be binding in the UK, because that would be taking sovereignty away from parliament. There have only ever been 3 national referendums in Britain. One to join the EU, one to leave the EU, and one over Alternative Vote. They used to be considered unconstitutional, a tool for demagogues. I would be happy to ditch them forever.

NeedMoreTea 8y ago

The primary leave slogan was "Take back control" to the UK parliament. What control does parliament have if a referendum is binding? We either have a direct democracy, or a representative democracy, not bits of each as suits someone's point. Up until the first EU referendum in the mid 70s they were considered unconstitutional in Britain.

dang 8y ago

Would you please stop taking HN threads in flamey directions? Hopping straight to Bolshevism is a perfect example.