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De-platform Republicans. Republicans find other platforms. What is the surprise here?

by kleton 8y ago

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spamizbad 8y ago
What Republicans are being deplatformed? The only one I could find was a fringe challenger named Paul Nehlen who acts like a Democratic characticure of a “racist Republican”
- smsm42 8y ago
  Are you literally claiming you tried to find any Republican (I include here obvious conservative people who are not elected officials but would obviously vote Republican and are outspoken in support of causes associated with Republicans) who got deplatformed on social media, and could not locate more than one person? I would suggest to put more effort into it, because there is definitely more than one case.
  - spamizbad 8y ago
    I’m specifically interested in Republican politicians. It looks like he was banned from Twitter due to posting a racist meme (which wasn’t related to Politics or conservative thinking). It looks like he was also banned from Gab for doxxing someone. Can you give an instance where someone was banned for simply having Republican views, rather than someone violating the TOS who merely happens to be Republican?
    - smsm42 8y ago
      In most cases, TOS are super-vague and allow to ban for things like "hateful conduct", without defining what it is. Criticizing anybody could be defined as "hateful conduct", and so is participating in any political controversy - after all, if you say some politician is a bad person and should never be elected, doesn't it mean you hate him? So if you search for "twitter bans conservative", get literally dozens of results, you can always claim they are banned for "violating the TOS", not for expressing their views. And since there's almost never a specification of what caused the ban and no process that allows to know it, and frequently not even any notification beyond "you've been suspended, goodbye" there's no way to resolve this question (e.g. twitter suspended one of my accounts which I used to post completely innocent non-political non-offensive jokes, I still have no idea why and there's no process to find out, I don't care because I stopped using Twitter shortly thereafter anyway). So you can always claim this is because all these people were racist, hateful and doxxing. I have no means to prove otherwise to you, there's no force in the Universe, beyond God Almighty and maybe NSA, that could prove particular twitter account never posted anything bad, especially after it's been blocked. But I can see the pattern. Especially when obvious hateful conduct on twitter (like a notorious antisemite Farrakhan) keep using Twitter for spreading their hate without any problems.
  - WalterGR 8y ago
    Saying “you didn’t try hard enough” is not a counter-argument. Providing examples is a counter-argument.
    - smsm42 8y ago
      https://duckduckgo.com/?q=twitter+bans+conservative https://duckduckgo.com/?q=twitter+bans+conservative Of course, next stage would be claiming it's all for "TOS violations" and "hateful conduct".
      - cannonedhamster 8y ago
        So let's see your search primarily shows two white nationalists, one of whom incites riots were removed based on your search. That's pretty much all your search shows with a couple people from Infowars who..wait for it...incite violence against others. I am not shocked that these people were removed.
        smsm42 8y ago
        If inciting riots were really a problem, I wouldn't see antifa accounts on Twitter. I do see them, I found a dozen of antifa accounts, including Berkeley antifa, notorious for their violent actions. Nobody cares.
        WalterGR 8y ago
        If inciting riots were really a problem, I wouldn't see antifa accounts on Twitter. Please cite antifa accounts on Twitter - not blocked - that are inciting violence. Partisan hand-waving doesn’t fool anyone.
        smsm42 8y ago
        Antifa perpetrating violence is widely reflected in the press. They are not ashamed of it and not hiding it. They are a violent organization, by principle. Yet, they feel completely comfortable on social media. These are the facts, which are so widely available that if you can not find them without me leading you by hand, you probably won't believe me anyway and find some excuse to dismiss my evidence too - because I can not imagine how otherwise a person who is villing to engage in good faith about the topic can doubt that antifa perpetrates - not just incites in others, but actually doing by itself - violence. > Partisan hand-waving doesn’t fool anyone. That's ok, because there's no purpose to fool anyone. Only to highlight the obvious bias of certain social media platforms, which get triggered by slightest transgression by right wingers and at the same time tolerate virulent haters like Farrakhan and violent organizations like Antifa. These are the facts, you can interpret them as you like.

De-platform Republicans. Republicans find other platforms. What is the surprise here?

by kleton 8y ago

De-platform Republicans. Republicans find other platforms. What is the surprise here?

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spamizbad 8y ago

What Republicans are being deplatformed? The only one I could find was a fringe challenger named Paul Nehlen who acts like a Democratic characticure of a “racist Republican”

smsm42 8y ago
Are you literally claiming you tried to find any Republican (I include here obvious conservative people who are not elected officials but would obviously vote Republican and are outspoken in support of causes associated with Republicans) who got deplatformed on social media, and could not locate more than one person? I would suggest to put more effort into it, because there is definitely more than one case.
- spamizbad 8y ago
  I’m specifically interested in Republican politicians. It looks like he was banned from Twitter due to posting a racist meme (which wasn’t related to Politics or conservative thinking). It looks like he was also banned from Gab for doxxing someone. Can you give an instance where someone was banned for simply having Republican views, rather than someone violating the TOS who merely happens to be Republican?
  - smsm42 8y ago
    In most cases, TOS are super-vague and allow to ban for things like "hateful conduct", without defining what it is. Criticizing anybody could be defined as "hateful conduct", and so is participating in any political controversy - after all, if you say some politician is a bad person and should never be elected, doesn't it mean you hate him? So if you search for "twitter bans conservative", get literally dozens of results, you can always claim they are banned for "violating the TOS", not for expressing their views. And since there's almost never a specification of what caused the ban and no process that allows to know it, and frequently not even any notification beyond "you've been suspended, goodbye" there's no way to resolve this question (e.g. twitter suspended one of my accounts which I used to post completely innocent non-political non-offensive jokes, I still have no idea why and there's no process to find out, I don't care because I stopped using Twitter shortly thereafter anyway). So you can always claim this is because all these people were racist, hateful and doxxing. I have no means to prove otherwise to you, there's no force in the Universe, beyond God Almighty and maybe NSA, that could prove particular twitter account never posted anything bad, especially after it's been blocked. But I can see the pattern. Especially when obvious hateful conduct on twitter (like a notorious antisemite Farrakhan) keep using Twitter for spreading their hate without any problems.
- WalterGR 8y ago
  Saying “you didn’t try hard enough” is not a counter-argument. Providing examples is a counter-argument.
  - smsm42 8y ago
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=twitter+bans+conservative https://duckduckgo.com/?q=twitter+bans+conservative Of course, next stage would be claiming it's all for "TOS violations" and "hateful conduct".
    - cannonedhamster 8y ago
      So let's see your search primarily shows two white nationalists, one of whom incites riots were removed based on your search. That's pretty much all your search shows with a couple people from Infowars who..wait for it...incite violence against others. I am not shocked that these people were removed.
      - smsm42 8y ago
        If inciting riots were really a problem, I wouldn't see antifa accounts on Twitter. I do see them, I found a dozen of antifa accounts, including Berkeley antifa, notorious for their violent actions. Nobody cares.
        WalterGR 8y ago
        If inciting riots were really a problem, I wouldn't see antifa accounts on Twitter. Please cite antifa accounts on Twitter - not blocked - that are inciting violence. Partisan hand-waving doesn’t fool anyone.
        smsm42 8y ago
        Antifa perpetrating violence is widely reflected in the press. They are not ashamed of it and not hiding it. They are a violent organization, by principle. Yet, they feel completely comfortable on social media. These are the facts, which are so widely available that if you can not find them without me leading you by hand, you probably won't believe me anyway and find some excuse to dismiss my evidence too - because I can not imagine how otherwise a person who is villing to engage in good faith about the topic can doubt that antifa perpetrates - not just incites in others, but actually doing by itself - violence. > Partisan hand-waving doesn’t fool anyone. That's ok, because there's no purpose to fool anyone. Only to highlight the obvious bias of certain social media platforms, which get triggered by slightest transgression by right wingers and at the same time tolerate virulent haters like Farrakhan and violent organizations like Antifa. These are the facts, you can interpret them as you like.