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I disagree. Both sides can have issues, and it's not primarily the fault of "managers." You can see some issues that I list elsewhere in this thread. The part

by nemild 8y ago

I disagree. Both sides can have issues, and it's not primarily the fault of "managers." You can see some issues that I list elsewhere in this thread. The part I do agree with is that responsibility to address the issues often is in management. I do wonder if every tribe thinks they're good, and it's the other side at fault? ... I think about this a lot in my media literacy work, where I explore the empathy gap: https://www.nemil.com/s/part2-terrorism.html https://www.nemil.com/s/part2-terrorism.html https://github.com/nemild/hack-the-media/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/nemild/hack-the-media/blob/master/README....

mlthoughts2018 8y ago
Both sides can definitely have problems. But I think there are severe asymmetries at work, like what is chronicled in Moral Mazes. There is a big asymmetry about how managers and executives think the world is supposed to work for them, vs. what is a realistic compromise between complex teams that have to coordinate. Executive or management bad behavior can be hidden, papered over, politically rewritten, etc. etc., while executive opinions about the behavior of subordinates is often taken as unquestionably 'morally' right within the context of the morals and ethical systems that evolve inside a specific corporate hierarchy. I think as an abstract sociology problem, there is every reason to believe the dynamics of the situation make it far more likely to be problems with management or executives, and that it ought to require extraordinary evidence to overturn that prior point of view and instead believe it's sincerely an attitude / effort / tone / culture fit sort of problem on behalf of employees. This isn't really special to companies where employees are developers. It's just a general property of the phenomenon of a corporation, period.

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I disagree. Both sides can have issues, and it's not primarily the fault of "managers." You can see some issues that I list elsewhere in this thread. The part

by nemild 8y ago

mlthoughts2018 8y ago
Both sides can definitely have problems. But I think there are severe asymmetries at work, like what is chronicled in Moral Mazes. There is a big asymmetry about how managers and executives think the world is supposed to work for them, vs. what is a realistic compromise between complex teams that have to coordinate. Executive or management bad behavior can be hidden, papered over, politically rewritten, etc. etc., while executive opinions about the behavior of subordinates is often taken as unquestionably 'morally' right within the context of the morals and ethical systems that evolve inside a specific corporate hierarchy. I think as an abstract sociology problem, there is every reason to believe the dynamics of the situation make it far more likely to be problems with management or executives, and that it ought to require extraordinary evidence to overturn that prior point of view and instead believe it's sincerely an attitude / effort / tone / culture fit sort of problem on behalf of employees. This isn't really special to companies where employees are developers. It's just a general property of the phenomenon of a corporation, period.