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Er, paper ammunition is definitely a thing. It's not beyond reason that one could forge/press the copper components oneself, either. The tricky part, which isn'

Er, paper ammunition is definitely a thing. It's not beyond reason that one could forge/press the copper components oneself, either. The tricky part, which isn't all that tricky, is manufacturing the combustion mechanism. Charcoal, potassium and sulfur; or saltpeter, sulfur and charcoal. There's more than a few sources of instructions online.

dogma1138 8y ago
Anyone who can make cordite or cellulose gun powder at home, die press casings and make the primers and the bullets will be able to manufacture a complete gun without 3D printing, and better one at that. Heck some high end air soft guns are made from the exactly the same material as an AR15 some even use real receivers with modification to prevent the drop in of parts converting those to a real gun would produce a more reliable weapon than most current 3D prints. The “danger” of 3D printed guns isn’t about people with the will and skill but about trivializing it to the point where your idiot parking lot weed dealer can break into a maker space hit print and come out with a SAW and ammo to boot and were probably 50 years off from that point.
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- dleslie 8y ago
  I think you're over-estimating how hard these things are; especially in this day and age of online video tutorials. Try googling how to make gunpowder, you'll come up with many viable tutorials. The rest isn't that far out of reach, either. IE, here's an image sequence of an amateur creating a 37mm slug launcher, ammunition and _most_ of the components; some is 3d-printed, some isn't: https://i.imgur.com/kXsM5Ax.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kXsM5Ax.jpg https://imgur.com/a/3piHH https://imgur.com/a/3piHH https://imgur.com/a/EUA5Dp0 https://imgur.com/a/EUA5Dp0 https://imgur.com/a/0XPSZ https://imgur.com/a/0XPSZ https://i.imgur.com/bpAZr5B.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bpAZr5B.jpg And have you seen the Shovel AK? https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/diy-shovel-ak-photo-tsunami-warning.179192/ https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/diy-shovel-ak-...
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    I think you’re underestimating how stupid people are because of the group you socialize with. People with the will and skill can make one this isn’t trivial even with all the videos in the world it will take weeks of practice and will require a good understanding of chemistry and basic engineering. Most common criminals wouldn’t know how to measure correctly, use a caliper, heck most of them won’t be able to multiply add or subtract correctly. Yet alone hammer forge an AK receiver out of a shovel. Even if you discount career criminals as the only risk group most people can’t wire a power socket, switch a lock or fix a leak you want them to forge recievers and cut grooves in barrel blanks? Not to mention that any substantial delay would reduce the likelihood of these guns being used there is a huge difference between a kid that would have to spend 2 weeks banging a gun out in his garage and a kid that can go into the school workshop and 3D print a gun on the spot.
    - dleslie 8y ago
      I don't live in the valley; I live in, and grew up in, a low-class blue collar community. None of what has been posted or mentioned thus far is beyond the skill and scope of the hardware hacks that I've witnessed from relatively uneducated neighbors. Frankly, you're woefully underestimating the ability of the blue collar masses.

dogma1138 8y ago

Anyone who can make cordite or cellulose gun powder at home, die press casings and make the primers and the bullets will be able to manufacture a complete gun without 3D printing, and better one at that. Heck some high end air soft guns are made from the exactly the same material as an AR15 some even use real receivers with modification to prevent the drop in of parts converting those to a real gun would produce a more reliable weapon than most current 3D prints. The “danger” of 3D printed guns isn’t about people with the will and skill but about trivializing it to the point where your idiot parking lot weed dealer can break into a maker space hit print and come out with a SAW and ammo to boot and were probably 50 years off from that point.

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dleslie 8y ago
I think you're over-estimating how hard these things are; especially in this day and age of online video tutorials. Try googling how to make gunpowder, you'll come up with many viable tutorials. The rest isn't that far out of reach, either. IE, here's an image sequence of an amateur creating a 37mm slug launcher, ammunition and _most_ of the components; some is 3d-printed, some isn't: https://i.imgur.com/kXsM5Ax.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kXsM5Ax.jpg https://imgur.com/a/3piHH https://imgur.com/a/3piHH https://imgur.com/a/EUA5Dp0 https://imgur.com/a/EUA5Dp0 https://imgur.com/a/0XPSZ https://imgur.com/a/0XPSZ https://i.imgur.com/bpAZr5B.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bpAZr5B.jpg And have you seen the Shovel AK? https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/diy-shovel-ak-photo-tsunami-warning.179192/ https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/diy-shovel-ak-...
- dogma1138 8y ago
  I think you’re underestimating how stupid people are because of the group you socialize with. People with the will and skill can make one this isn’t trivial even with all the videos in the world it will take weeks of practice and will require a good understanding of chemistry and basic engineering. Most common criminals wouldn’t know how to measure correctly, use a caliper, heck most of them won’t be able to multiply add or subtract correctly. Yet alone hammer forge an AK receiver out of a shovel. Even if you discount career criminals as the only risk group most people can’t wire a power socket, switch a lock or fix a leak you want them to forge recievers and cut grooves in barrel blanks? Not to mention that any substantial delay would reduce the likelihood of these guns being used there is a huge difference between a kid that would have to spend 2 weeks banging a gun out in his garage and a kid that can go into the school workshop and 3D print a gun on the spot.
  - dleslie 8y ago
    I don't live in the valley; I live in, and grew up in, a low-class blue collar community. None of what has been posted or mentioned thus far is beyond the skill and scope of the hardware hacks that I've witnessed from relatively uneducated neighbors. Frankly, you're woefully underestimating the ability of the blue collar masses.