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As a user, I genuinely don't care about your aesthetic when it comes to your IAPs. I want a clear-as-day notice well in advance that you're asking to take real

by Endy 8y ago

As a user, I genuinely don't care about your aesthetic when it comes to your IAPs. I want a clear-as-day notice well in advance that you're asking to take real money for non-physical goods and/or services. If some group is working to make that clearer, I'm in favor.

MOARDONGZPLZ 8y ago
Seconded. I am very careful to make sure that I don't spend money unexpectedly in apps, and it can be pretty difficult. I'm all for any guidelines or regulations that make knowing when I'm going to be charged more explicit.
- Endy 8y ago
  That's part of why I'd only use gift cards with very restricted budgets on paid software repositories.
- MiddleEndian 8y ago
  Payments should be client controlled. Rather than you giving online organizations your payment information, they should request payments from you and you could manually approve or reject them. You could give certain trusted organizations you trust an auto accept option (for instance monthly web hosting bills).
satysin 8y ago
Agreed 100%. Hell a white page with generic Times New Roman font and generic buttons is perfect if it tells me how much I will be paying monthly, how long I am committed for and everything else that should be shown to me before I subscribe. If you can make it a little prettier that is fine but I want the cold hard facts over some cute parallax effect when I scroll the page
madeofpalk 8y ago
To be fair, that's _at least_ up to the OS, and iOS does do this. Every in app purchase has to be approved from an OS-provided dialogue that requires hardware interaction to approve. One problem I have seen from this was an ancestry app that prompted you to scan your fingerprint to "find your relatives", and then would prompt for IAP, which asks for Touch ID approval. Because you already had your thumb on the reader, it would more or less instantly be approved. Unsure if Apple has made any changes around this yet. https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/9bxw0f/this_ancestry_app_attempts_to_make_you_use_your/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/9bxw0f/this_ancestr...
- wool_gather 8y ago
  Apps don't have access to the actual fingerprint data, though. Presumably they were just using it as a login guard?
  - jboles 8y ago
    The issue is not the app getting the fingerprint data, but rather literally baiting your finger onto the reader and then switching to a Touch ID subscription prompt under your finger?
    - greglindahl 8y ago
      I'd bet that A/B testing would easily show that they make a lot more money if the users' finger is already on the reader from a recent press.
    - wool_gather 8y ago
      No, I understand that, and maybe this is just a tangent, but the parent post seemed to be implying that the app was using the fingerprint itself, and I was trying to get a clarification. (And I'm honestly a little skeptical of the story.)
      - madeofpalk 8y ago
        Watch the video. It's a scam app. There's zero actual ancestry finding going on. It's like those scamming 'anti virus' apps for iPhone. The app has zero use for the fingerprint, apart from manipulating you into subscribing to a $100/month in app purchase subscription https://vimeo.com/287737290 https://vimeo.com/287737290
        wool_gather 8y ago
        I see, thanks for that extra information.
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by Endy 8y ago

MOARDONGZPLZ 8y ago

Seconded. I am very careful to make sure that I don't spend money unexpectedly in apps, and it can be pretty difficult. I'm all for any guidelines or regulations that make knowing when I'm going to be charged more explicit.

Endy 8y ago
That's part of why I'd only use gift cards with very restricted budgets on paid software repositories.
MiddleEndian 8y ago
Payments should be client controlled. Rather than you giving online organizations your payment information, they should request payments from you and you could manually approve or reject them. You could give certain trusted organizations you trust an auto accept option (for instance monthly web hosting bills).

satysin 8y ago

Agreed 100%. Hell a white page with generic Times New Roman font and generic buttons is perfect if it tells me how much I will be paying monthly, how long I am committed for and everything else that should be shown to me before I subscribe. If you can make it a little prettier that is fine but I want the cold hard facts over some cute parallax effect when I scroll the page

madeofpalk 8y ago

To be fair, that's _at least_ up to the OS, and iOS does do this. Every in app purchase has to be approved from an OS-provided dialogue that requires hardware interaction to approve. One problem I have seen from this was an ancestry app that prompted you to scan your fingerprint to "find your relatives", and then would prompt for IAP, which asks for Touch ID approval. Because you already had your thumb on the reader, it would more or less instantly be approved. Unsure if Apple has made any changes around this yet. https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/9bxw0f/this_ancestry_app_attempts_to_make_you_use_your/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/9bxw0f/this_ancestr...

wool_gather 8y ago
Apps don't have access to the actual fingerprint data, though. Presumably they were just using it as a login guard?
- jboles 8y ago
  The issue is not the app getting the fingerprint data, but rather literally baiting your finger onto the reader and then switching to a Touch ID subscription prompt under your finger?
  - greglindahl 8y ago
    I'd bet that A/B testing would easily show that they make a lot more money if the users' finger is already on the reader from a recent press.
  - wool_gather 8y ago
    No, I understand that, and maybe this is just a tangent, but the parent post seemed to be implying that the app was using the fingerprint itself, and I was trying to get a clarification. (And I'm honestly a little skeptical of the story.)
    - madeofpalk 8y ago
      Watch the video. It's a scam app. There's zero actual ancestry finding going on. It's like those scamming 'anti virus' apps for iPhone. The app has zero use for the fingerprint, apart from manipulating you into subscribing to a $100/month in app purchase subscription https://vimeo.com/287737290 https://vimeo.com/287737290
      - wool_gather 8y ago
        I see, thanks for that extra information.

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