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In my experience: You say, "I already know this stuff, can I just take the final?" Uni says, "this is a required course for graduation, you must take it." If

by twtw 8y ago

In my experience: You say, "I already know this stuff, can I just take the final?" Uni says, "this is a required course for graduation, you must take it." If you don't comply or push hard enough to make Uni comply with you, you don't graduate. This is how I ended up learning all about System.out.println my final semester of university.

claystu 8y ago
I don't see anything in your response about success. It's true that if you want credit for completing a major, then it is necessary for you to actually complete the major, but that still doesn't equate to graduating at or near the top of your class.
- twtw 8y ago
  perhaps I wasn't clear. I completed all of the courses for the major, with the exception of CS101, introduction to computer programming. I took many classes that ostensibly had a prerequisite on CS101, including additional nonrequired courses that could have easily been substituted for CS101. Nonetheless, as you say, it was "necessary for [me] to actually complete the major" by going back after taking CS4xx to complete CS101. Was this a required part of the major? yes. Was it a valuable part to be required without exception? Maybe, but I tend to not think so. > I don't see anything in your response about success "Not graduating" is a pretty clear way in my mind to "not succeed." I indicated that compliance to authority in my experience was necessary for graduation, which implies that it was necessary for success, does it not? > graduating at or near the top of your class ok?
- esyir 8y ago
  Eh, I do see his point though. I've been in a similar situation myself due to a transfer once in the past where, due to university requirements, I had to take a module that I was uh, "overqualified" for to fulfill major requirements. I don't quite agree with his overall conclusion that university education is pure compliance off of this one gripe though. Moreover, I do believe that many universities allow you to bypass certain module via a test / some other demonstration.
  - twtw 8y ago
    > pure compliance off of this one gripe though I don't think it is purely or even mostly based on compliance. I was responding to: > How in the world does "being compliant to authority" contribute to university success by indicating one way the compliance contributes to success.
trashcan 8y ago
My experience was: You say, "I already know this stuff, can I just take the final?" Uni says, "Yes, you can test out of it and get credit for the class." I was allowed to take the final for any class I wanted to and if I passed I would get the grade I got on the test. I thought this was pretty standard as I've seen it at multiple universities.
- SamReidHughes 8y ago
  Well, letting you get credit is not universal, or maybe not common. They want you to pay them for your degree.
  - dorchadas 8y ago
    Yeah. I can't help but wonder if the parent went to a school that charges a set amount of tuition regardless of how many hours you take (with the exception of part-time versus full-time). My alma mater does that, and I was offered to take finals if I thought I already knew the material as well. Though it was just for credit, not grades; basically the equivalent of passing an AP test for that subject.

by twtw 8y ago

claystu 8y ago

I don't see anything in your response about success. It's true that if you want credit for completing a major, then it is necessary for you to actually complete the major, but that still doesn't equate to graduating at or near the top of your class.

twtw 8y ago
perhaps I wasn't clear. I completed all of the courses for the major, with the exception of CS101, introduction to computer programming. I took many classes that ostensibly had a prerequisite on CS101, including additional nonrequired courses that could have easily been substituted for CS101. Nonetheless, as you say, it was "necessary for [me] to actually complete the major" by going back after taking CS4xx to complete CS101. Was this a required part of the major? yes. Was it a valuable part to be required without exception? Maybe, but I tend to not think so. > I don't see anything in your response about success "Not graduating" is a pretty clear way in my mind to "not succeed." I indicated that compliance to authority in my experience was necessary for graduation, which implies that it was necessary for success, does it not? > graduating at or near the top of your class ok?
esyir 8y ago
Eh, I do see his point though. I've been in a similar situation myself due to a transfer once in the past where, due to university requirements, I had to take a module that I was uh, "overqualified" for to fulfill major requirements. I don't quite agree with his overall conclusion that university education is pure compliance off of this one gripe though. Moreover, I do believe that many universities allow you to bypass certain module via a test / some other demonstration.
- twtw 8y ago
  > pure compliance off of this one gripe though I don't think it is purely or even mostly based on compliance. I was responding to: > How in the world does "being compliant to authority" contribute to university success by indicating one way the compliance contributes to success.

trashcan 8y ago

My experience was: You say, "I already know this stuff, can I just take the final?" Uni says, "Yes, you can test out of it and get credit for the class." I was allowed to take the final for any class I wanted to and if I passed I would get the grade I got on the test. I thought this was pretty standard as I've seen it at multiple universities.

SamReidHughes 8y ago
Well, letting you get credit is not universal, or maybe not common. They want you to pay them for your degree.
- dorchadas 8y ago
  Yeah. I can't help but wonder if the parent went to a school that charges a set amount of tuition regardless of how many hours you take (with the exception of part-time versus full-time). My alma mater does that, and I was offered to take finals if I thought I already knew the material as well. Though it was just for credit, not grades; basically the equivalent of passing an AP test for that subject.