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It’s the convenience factor. That’s it. Once plant-based options are more convenient than meat, game over. Most people lack the discipline to sustain a vegan li

It’s the convenience factor. That’s it. Once plant-based options are more convenient than meat, game over. Most people lack the discipline to sustain a vegan lifestyle, even in 2018.

m000 8y ago
It's also indoctrination. We've been indoctrinated to think of meat as a staple food. Meat was never a staple food before factory farming came along. Fortunately, it seems that humanity's honeymoon with the farming industry is coming to its end.
- wool_gather 8y ago
  > indoctrinated to think of meat as a staple food Generally agree, although I think this is slightly the wrong way 'round. Meat was definitely a luxury, as recently as a century ago. (Speaking of the U.S. here.) Then we had an explosion of a (relatively) wealthy middle-class, who could afford lots of things that were formerly luxuries. And those things became expected, they became part of the culture, and they became commodified. I don't think there's any nefarious conspiracy, it's classic tragedy of the commons: everybody individually wants steak for dinner; the social price doesn't become clear until much later.
kitsunesoba 8y ago
For me part of the problem is that the sort of satiation one gets from vegan options is different and less complete than the sort that comes from a meal with even a small portion of meat. I can feel “full” with with beans, lentils, rice, etc, but it’s not nearly as satisfying. It’s a kind of “empty” fullness that quells the hunger but doesn’t leave me with the sense of having eaten a good meal. I’m never left particularly happy with the conclusion of these meals, they’re just OK, even if they’ve been fantastically well prepared and seasoned. It’s hard to explain, does anybody else experience this? I think if I had to I could go vegetarian, but I absolutely cannot imagine going vegan. At minimum I need eggs and dairy.
- henryhenryhenry 8y ago
  It's interesting that you are so attached to that satiating feeling. Have you ever fasted before? Keep in mind that you need to give your taste buds/gut time to adapt to a healthier, meat-free diet. It is similar to when people give up sodium food then tastes really bland. However, after a few weeks, people's taste buds change and they begin to enjoy sodium-free meals. Try giving a whole foods plant-based diet a shot for just a few weeks. There's a million whole foods you can eat. Whole grains, nuts, seeds, legumes, thousands of veggies and fruits, spices, etc. This website is quite helpful for new vegans: https://www.challenge22.com/challenge22/ https://www.challenge22.com/challenge22/
EugeneOZ 8y ago
Discipline? Muhaha, I just don't want to be a vegan. Really love to eat meat.
- henryhenryhenry 8y ago
  Lol you just pointed out the lack of discipline in your reply. You're aware of how bad eating meat is for the environment and ethics. And I'm sure you'll understand, if you are educated on nutritional science, that it's also bad for your personal health. And yet, you "really love to eat meat." Either you're too lazy to give good plant-based meals a shot (and time for your taste buds/gut to change), or it's just a discipline issue to stay away because meat is so conveniently engrained in our culture
  - henryhenryhenry 8y ago
    Let’s do an experiment. “Discipline? Muhaha, I just don't want to be non-smoker. Really love to smoke.” Meat consumption is just as if not more detrimental to your health than smoking cigarettes. Sounds like a discipline issue to me.
    - EugeneOZ 8y ago
      > Meat consumption is just as if not more detrimental to your health than smoking cigarettes. Very funny. Calm down man, I don't give a shit about vegan beliefs.

It’s the convenience factor. That’s it. Once plant-based options are more convenient than meat, game over. Most people lack the discipline to sustain a vegan lifestyle, even in 2018.

m000 8y ago

It's also indoctrination. We've been indoctrinated to think of meat as a staple food. Meat was never a staple food before factory farming came along. Fortunately, it seems that humanity's honeymoon with the farming industry is coming to its end.

wool_gather 8y ago
> indoctrinated to think of meat as a staple food Generally agree, although I think this is slightly the wrong way 'round. Meat was definitely a luxury, as recently as a century ago. (Speaking of the U.S. here.) Then we had an explosion of a (relatively) wealthy middle-class, who could afford lots of things that were formerly luxuries. And those things became expected, they became part of the culture, and they became commodified. I don't think there's any nefarious conspiracy, it's classic tragedy of the commons: everybody individually wants steak for dinner; the social price doesn't become clear until much later.

kitsunesoba 8y ago

For me part of the problem is that the sort of satiation one gets from vegan options is different and less complete than the sort that comes from a meal with even a small portion of meat. I can feel “full” with with beans, lentils, rice, etc, but it’s not nearly as satisfying. It’s a kind of “empty” fullness that quells the hunger but doesn’t leave me with the sense of having eaten a good meal. I’m never left particularly happy with the conclusion of these meals, they’re just OK, even if they’ve been fantastically well prepared and seasoned. It’s hard to explain, does anybody else experience this? I think if I had to I could go vegetarian, but I absolutely cannot imagine going vegan. At minimum I need eggs and dairy.

henryhenryhenry 8y ago
It's interesting that you are so attached to that satiating feeling. Have you ever fasted before? Keep in mind that you need to give your taste buds/gut time to adapt to a healthier, meat-free diet. It is similar to when people give up sodium food then tastes really bland. However, after a few weeks, people's taste buds change and they begin to enjoy sodium-free meals. Try giving a whole foods plant-based diet a shot for just a few weeks. There's a million whole foods you can eat. Whole grains, nuts, seeds, legumes, thousands of veggies and fruits, spices, etc. This website is quite helpful for new vegans: https://www.challenge22.com/challenge22/ https://www.challenge22.com/challenge22/

EugeneOZ 8y ago

Discipline? Muhaha, I just don't want to be a vegan. Really love to eat meat.

henryhenryhenry 8y ago
Lol you just pointed out the lack of discipline in your reply. You're aware of how bad eating meat is for the environment and ethics. And I'm sure you'll understand, if you are educated on nutritional science, that it's also bad for your personal health. And yet, you "really love to eat meat." Either you're too lazy to give good plant-based meals a shot (and time for your taste buds/gut to change), or it's just a discipline issue to stay away because meat is so conveniently engrained in our culture
- henryhenryhenry 8y ago
  Let’s do an experiment. “Discipline? Muhaha, I just don't want to be non-smoker. Really love to smoke.” Meat consumption is just as if not more detrimental to your health than smoking cigarettes. Sounds like a discipline issue to me.
  - EugeneOZ 8y ago
    > Meat consumption is just as if not more detrimental to your health than smoking cigarettes. Very funny. Calm down man, I don't give a shit about vegan beliefs.