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Came for a recommendation ... left disappointed. In the past I found a relatively sane comparison site for most of these vectors on reddit (that I can now ...

by borgdr 8y ago

Came for a recommendation ... left disappointed. In the past I found a relatively sane comparison site for most of these vectors on reddit (that I can now ... not find due to an OS reinstall literally yesterday). Ended up going with iVPN for reasons that are currently unknown.

jen729w 8y ago
I'm with Freedome purely based on Troy Hunt's recommendation. Pick someone you trust and listen to them, I reckon. Every "VPN review" website just seems shady as all hell.
- forapurpose 8y ago
  The people I trust say not to use VPN services; look in past HN discussions of the subject.
  - jen729w 8y ago
    At all, or "roll your own"? I'm not going to roll my own. I'm using it for basic security and obfuscation; I'm not a high-risk target. Therefore, a recommendation for a service is still required.
    - forapurpose 8y ago
      I was talking about commercial, third party services. Roll your own can work better. Tor might be the best option, depending on your adversary: As I understand these things, it works well against corporate tracking and against getting swept up in government mass surveillance; but if you have something in particular to hide from an oppressive government, it may attract attention. Using commercial VPN services, all you do is shift your Internet gateway from your ISP to your VPN service provider; it's not clear which one is better. They also are honeypots: All someone needs to do is compromise the VPN provider and they have everyone's confidential data. Many VPN providers (almost all of whom, I'd guess) have poor security practices - security is expensive; consider how much security your monthly fee buys. It's just a juicy, high-ROI target. The creator of Algo, an automated roll-your-own VPN, knows much more more than I do; this is worth reading IMHO: https://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/12/12/meet-algo-the-vpn-that-works/ https://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/12/12/meet-algo-the-vpn-th... All that said, I think you do have a point. I'd try Tor, though.
badlucklottery 8y ago
I think the problem is there is no "good" recommendation. At the end of the day, you're trusting the VPN provider to play it straight. Now if the VPN provider goes on record as saying they don't do any of these shady things, at least you'll have some grounds to go after them legally if they actually do them. I suspect this is why the questionnaire also has a bit about ownership.
miek 8y ago
I am a fan of this site for vpn and email provider comparison: https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-section/ https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-section/ Hope that helps!

by borgdr 8y ago

jen729w 8y ago

I'm with Freedome purely based on Troy Hunt's recommendation. Pick someone you trust and listen to them, I reckon. Every "VPN review" website just seems shady as all hell.

forapurpose 8y ago
The people I trust say not to use VPN services; look in past HN discussions of the subject.
- jen729w 8y ago
  At all, or "roll your own"? I'm not going to roll my own. I'm using it for basic security and obfuscation; I'm not a high-risk target. Therefore, a recommendation for a service is still required.
  - forapurpose 8y ago
    I was talking about commercial, third party services. Roll your own can work better. Tor might be the best option, depending on your adversary: As I understand these things, it works well against corporate tracking and against getting swept up in government mass surveillance; but if you have something in particular to hide from an oppressive government, it may attract attention. Using commercial VPN services, all you do is shift your Internet gateway from your ISP to your VPN service provider; it's not clear which one is better. They also are honeypots: All someone needs to do is compromise the VPN provider and they have everyone's confidential data. Many VPN providers (almost all of whom, I'd guess) have poor security practices - security is expensive; consider how much security your monthly fee buys. It's just a juicy, high-ROI target. The creator of Algo, an automated roll-your-own VPN, knows much more more than I do; this is worth reading IMHO: https://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/12/12/meet-algo-the-vpn-that-works/ https://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/12/12/meet-algo-the-vpn-th... All that said, I think you do have a point. I'd try Tor, though.

badlucklottery 8y ago

I think the problem is there is no "good" recommendation. At the end of the day, you're trusting the VPN provider to play it straight. Now if the VPN provider goes on record as saying they don't do any of these shady things, at least you'll have some grounds to go after them legally if they actually do them. I suspect this is why the questionnaire also has a bit about ownership.

miek 8y ago

I am a fan of this site for vpn and email provider comparison: https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-section/ https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-section/ Hope that helps!