> Would love to hear of a country that has "universal health care" that does not limit what procedures people can have done to see how it is possible. It will

> Would love to hear of a country that has "universal health care" that does not limit what procedures people can have done to see how it is possible. It will attract quacks like shit attracts flies, so yes, of course there are limits: New treatments need to be more effective or cheaper for some well-defined ailment to end up on the approved list. If they're very expensive, they might not be first in line (but still available for patients where the case can be made that they need it). That can be frustrating, but shouldn't be life threatening. Experimental treatments are research. Their test subjects are picked by a schedule that is unrelated to medical care needs but optimizes for good data acquisition. Pay for them from research budgets, not health care.