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by Arnt 8y ago

yorwba 8y ago
They're probably referring to alternative teaching methods like "reading by writing". AFAIK, that method was developed to encourage students to practice more by putting more emphasis on writing and to prevent demotivating feedback by not correcting mistakes. There has been a bit of a splash in Germany recently when a study found very strong negative effects compared to the traditional method and several regional governments decided to ban schools from using those methods. (So it's not about centralized education forcing silly policies onto schools but the other way around.) I'm having trouble finding quality sources in English, but the German conference poster [1] has graphs and you asked for graphs. The line plot shows a longitudinal study and the box plot is of a cross-section with higher sample size, where the horizontal axis represents time in steps of half a school year. The vertical axis shows a measure of writing ability normalized to units of standard deviations from the mean. red = traditional method using a primer green = reading by writing blue = "reading workshop", another method were kids are supposed to decide for themselves what to learn next The longitudinal study (line plot) also controlled for pre-existing knowledge at the beginning of the study. Students enrolled in schools using the "reading by writing" method had significantly better initial conditions, but students using the traditional method showed much greater improvements. In the cross-section, the traditional method had consistently both higher means and lower variances. Conclusion: the two alternative methods "cannot be recommended unconditionally". [1] https://www.psychologie.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/entwicklungs-und-paedagogische-psychologie/mitarbeiterinnen-und-mitarbeiter/m.sc.-tobias-kuhl-1/poster-buko-rechtschreiberfolg-nach-unterschiedlichen-didaktiken-21.09.2018 https://www.psychologie.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/entwicklu...

This is HN not facebook. People here are used to reading metrics, so you can elaborate. Show numbers instead of saying "very poor". Link to graphs.

by Arnt 8y ago

This is HN not facebook. People here are used to reading metrics, so you can elaborate. Show numbers instead of saying "very poor". Link to graphs.

yorwba 8y ago

They're probably referring to alternative teaching methods like "reading by writing". AFAIK, that method was developed to encourage students to practice more by putting more emphasis on writing and to prevent demotivating feedback by not correcting mistakes. There has been a bit of a splash in Germany recently when a study found very strong negative effects compared to the traditional method and several regional governments decided to ban schools from using those methods. (So it's not about centralized education forcing silly policies onto schools but the other way around.) I'm having trouble finding quality sources in English, but the German conference poster [1] has graphs and you asked for graphs. The line plot shows a longitudinal study and the box plot is of a cross-section with higher sample size, where the horizontal axis represents time in steps of half a school year. The vertical axis shows a measure of writing ability normalized to units of standard deviations from the mean. red = traditional method using a primer green = reading by writing blue = "reading workshop", another method were kids are supposed to decide for themselves what to learn next The longitudinal study (line plot) also controlled for pre-existing knowledge at the beginning of the study. Students enrolled in schools using the "reading by writing" method had significantly better initial conditions, but students using the traditional method showed much greater improvements. In the cross-section, the traditional method had consistently both higher means and lower variances. Conclusion: the two alternative methods "cannot be recommended unconditionally". [1] https://www.psychologie.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/entwicklungs-und-paedagogische-psychologie/mitarbeiterinnen-und-mitarbeiter/m.sc.-tobias-kuhl-1/poster-buko-rechtschreiberfolg-nach-unterschiedlichen-didaktiken-21.09.2018 https://www.psychologie.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/entwicklu...