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Good luck getting those in the next MBP. Once a company exceeds a certain size, the normal rules of designing a product for the users stop applying. Mag safe,

Good luck getting those in the next MBP. Once a company exceeds a certain size, the normal rules of designing a product for the users stop applying. Mag safe, headphone jack, multiple USB ports, escape key - why were they removed? Who made these decisions? I might add a lack of dedicated PgUp/PgDn/Home/End keys on larger laptops. There's plenty of space, but no, we are going to use the same keyboard for all of them (makes sense from a supply perspective!)

nsxwolf 8y ago
We've still got the headphone jack.
- jtbayly 8y ago
  That's the big "One more thing" they've got for us at the end of the month. "No more headphone jack!" (Crowd erupts in applause.)
tjr 8y ago
I want an Ethernet port again... but that seems even less likely. So far Dante audio does not work over WiFi! :-(
jodrellblank 8y ago
I might add a lack of dedicated PgUp/PgDn/Home/End keys on larger laptops. There's plenty of space, but no, we are going to use the same keyboard for all of them (makes sense from a supply perspective!) Mildly unrelated, but many split-keyboard designs put an arc of thumb-keys like this http://xahlee.info/kbd/i04750/keyboardio_m1_rgb_44488.jpg http://xahlee.info/kbd/i04750/keyboardio_m1_rgb_44488.jpg There's plenty of opportunity for normal rectangle keyboards to put 2+ new metakeys below space bar, and almost none of them do. But what about on a laptop - could there be key chords where the thumbs are on the trackpad? Could you have right_thumb_trackpad_top_right + j/k for PgUp/PgDn (picking from Vim bindings) ?
- java-man 8y ago
  As a developer, I would rather have a single key press than a chord.
- DerekL 8y ago
  By the way, on Apple keyboards you can get six extra keys by holding down the “fn” key: fn + delete = forward delete fn + return = enter fn + up/down arrow = page up/down fn + left/right arrow = home/end
cpr 8y ago
Headphone jack's still there on the MBPs, unchanged.
DerekL 8y ago
> I might add a lack of dedicated PgUp/PgDn/Home/End keys on larger laptops. Yes, and then you can put full-sized arrow keys below them in the inverted-T!
- java-man 8y ago
  Exactly! But that will break the wonderful rectangular design.

nsxwolf 8y ago

We've still got the headphone jack.

jtbayly 8y ago
That's the big "One more thing" they've got for us at the end of the month. "No more headphone jack!" (Crowd erupts in applause.)

tjr 8y ago

I want an Ethernet port again... but that seems even less likely. So far Dante audio does not work over WiFi! :-(

jodrellblank 8y ago

I might add a lack of dedicated PgUp/PgDn/Home/End keys on larger laptops. There's plenty of space, but no, we are going to use the same keyboard for all of them (makes sense from a supply perspective!) Mildly unrelated, but many split-keyboard designs put an arc of thumb-keys like this http://xahlee.info/kbd/i04750/keyboardio_m1_rgb_44488.jpg http://xahlee.info/kbd/i04750/keyboardio_m1_rgb_44488.jpg There's plenty of opportunity for normal rectangle keyboards to put 2+ new metakeys below space bar, and almost none of them do. But what about on a laptop - could there be key chords where the thumbs are on the trackpad? Could you have right_thumb_trackpad_top_right + j/k for PgUp/PgDn (picking from Vim bindings) ?

java-man 8y ago
As a developer, I would rather have a single key press than a chord.
DerekL 8y ago
By the way, on Apple keyboards you can get six extra keys by holding down the “fn” key: fn + delete = forward delete fn + return = enter fn + up/down arrow = page up/down fn + left/right arrow = home/end

cpr 8y ago

Headphone jack's still there on the MBPs, unchanged.

DerekL 8y ago

> I might add a lack of dedicated PgUp/PgDn/Home/End keys on larger laptops. Yes, and then you can put full-sized arrow keys below them in the inverted-T!

java-man 8y ago
Exactly! But that will break the wonderful rectangular design.