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You have an issue with calling it an Indian civilization yet you use the term Dravidian which literally means Southern Indian. That's an interesting position to

by unmole 8y ago

You have an issue with calling it an Indian civilization yet you use the term Dravidian which literally means Southern Indian. That's an interesting position to take.

sillyquiet 8y ago
'Dravidian' is the (current, archeological) name for the (maybe) indigenous people of India. At the very least, they lived there BEFORE the Indo-Persion and Indo-Europeans migrated there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_people And I didn't say these people were Dravidian, I said they might be the pre-cursors to the Dravidian people - which is also probably doubtful. I guess I should have said 'People who would now be called Dravidian' ?
- yumraj 8y ago
  The so called Aryan invasion/migration and existence of so called Dravidian people is just a theory, not a fact.
  - linuxkerneldev 8y ago
    > existence of so called Dravidian people is just a theory uh, what? care to elaborate?
    - yumraj 8y ago
      In other words, there is no difference between North and South Indians, they are the same people. Not Aryans and Dravidians.
      - unmole 8y ago
        Eh, no. Genetic stuides show that South Asians are descendants of two major ancestral components, one restricted to South Asia (Ancestral South Indian) and the other component (Ancestral North Indian) more closely related to those in Central Asia, West Asia and Europe. Sure, the Aryan Invasion/Migration theory is too simplistic but nevertheless, there is a clear dicotomy. N.B. Ancestral South Indian and Ancestral North Indian are testing used in genetic studies to sidestep the use of loaded/controversial terms like Aryan and Dravidian.
        yumraj 8y ago
        Disclaimer, I'll not a geneticist. And I've seen, read, or come across various studies supporting opposite viewpoints. Given that, it is non trivial to decide what is the ultimate truth and the truth we decide to pick depends on our own biases. And I don't think this question is settled and may never be settled. My personal take, for what it's worth, there was no mass scale migration and North and South Indians are the same people. However, there was a lot on influx/migrations/invasions in North from rest of Asia and farther, which led to genetic mixing and the deviations that we see.
      - _emacsomancer_ 8y ago
        The genetic issue has been addressed below already, but linguistically the Indo-Aryan languages and the Dravidian languages are unrelated.
linuxkerneldev 8y ago
> Dravidian which literally means Southern Indian No, that's a common misconception. The majority of people with Dravidian heritage now live in Southern India but there's no "literal" meaning where Dravidian means Southern India. There's ample archaeological and linguistic evidence that Dravidian populations and languages were endemic as far north as what is now geographically Iran.
- unmole 8y ago
  > there's no "literal" meaning where Dravidian means Southern India. Except for the literal Sanskrit meaning of Dravida which refers to Southern India.
  - linuxkerneldev 8y ago
    > the literal Sanskrit meaning of Dravida which refers to Southern India. No, it doesn't refer to any geographical location. I urge you to go check your Sanskrit dictionary. http://sanskritdictionary.com/?q=dr%C4%81vi%E1%B8%8Da http://sanskritdictionary.com/?q=dr%C4%81vi%E1%B8%8Da

by unmole 8y ago

You have an issue with calling it an Indian civilization yet you use the term Dravidian which literally means Southern Indian. That's an interesting position to take.

sillyquiet 8y ago

'Dravidian' is the (current, archeological) name for the (maybe) indigenous people of India. At the very least, they lived there BEFORE the Indo-Persion and Indo-Europeans migrated there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_people And I didn't say these people were Dravidian, I said they might be the pre-cursors to the Dravidian people - which is also probably doubtful. I guess I should have said 'People who would now be called Dravidian' ?

yumraj 8y ago
The so called Aryan invasion/migration and existence of so called Dravidian people is just a theory, not a fact.
- linuxkerneldev 8y ago
  > existence of so called Dravidian people is just a theory uh, what? care to elaborate?
  - yumraj 8y ago
    In other words, there is no difference between North and South Indians, they are the same people. Not Aryans and Dravidians.
    - unmole 8y ago
      Eh, no. Genetic stuides show that South Asians are descendants of two major ancestral components, one restricted to South Asia (Ancestral South Indian) and the other component (Ancestral North Indian) more closely related to those in Central Asia, West Asia and Europe. Sure, the Aryan Invasion/Migration theory is too simplistic but nevertheless, there is a clear dicotomy. N.B. Ancestral South Indian and Ancestral North Indian are testing used in genetic studies to sidestep the use of loaded/controversial terms like Aryan and Dravidian.
      - yumraj 8y ago
        Disclaimer, I'll not a geneticist. And I've seen, read, or come across various studies supporting opposite viewpoints. Given that, it is non trivial to decide what is the ultimate truth and the truth we decide to pick depends on our own biases. And I don't think this question is settled and may never be settled. My personal take, for what it's worth, there was no mass scale migration and North and South Indians are the same people. However, there was a lot on influx/migrations/invasions in North from rest of Asia and farther, which led to genetic mixing and the deviations that we see.
    - _emacsomancer_ 8y ago
      The genetic issue has been addressed below already, but linguistically the Indo-Aryan languages and the Dravidian languages are unrelated.

linuxkerneldev 8y ago

> Dravidian which literally means Southern Indian No, that's a common misconception. The majority of people with Dravidian heritage now live in Southern India but there's no "literal" meaning where Dravidian means Southern India. There's ample archaeological and linguistic evidence that Dravidian populations and languages were endemic as far north as what is now geographically Iran.

unmole 8y ago
> there's no "literal" meaning where Dravidian means Southern India. Except for the literal Sanskrit meaning of Dravida which refers to Southern India.
- linuxkerneldev 8y ago
  > the literal Sanskrit meaning of Dravida which refers to Southern India. No, it doesn't refer to any geographical location. I urge you to go check your Sanskrit dictionary. http://sanskritdictionary.com/?q=dr%C4%81vi%E1%B8%8Da http://sanskritdictionary.com/?q=dr%C4%81vi%E1%B8%8Da