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So don't use them. They're not mandatory and the open road remains yours for the taking, aside from motorways. But just as not all people are track runners, no
by CalRobert 8y ago
So don't use them. They're not mandatory and the open road remains yours for the taking, aside from motorways.
But just as not all people are track runners, not all people are ex-bike-couriers, and it would be nice if they could ride a bike in something other than abject terror.
Also, I actually don't favour a total ban for the most part, just pricing in the externalities. Which would make petrol and diesel powered cars astonishingly expensive. Removing a liter's worth of CO2 from the air would have to be priced in to the cost of a liter of fuel. Paying for your dead neighbour's funeral would need to be covered too (though insurance is meant to cover this, drivers who kill people walking or cycling are rarely found at fault, because it's legal to kill people with your car if they're in the street). Meanwhile, you'd still let the odd hot rod or classic car enthusiast have a project car to wrench on during the weekends, and honestly, I think that's great. They're a key part of our cultural history and great fun.
But right now we still pay for all of those things! We just make _everyone else_ pay for them, which is very unfair. My taxes pay for the street where people drive too quickly to stop before killing my child if she slips from the pavement, and where they emit pollution that has rendered her less intelligent than she might be otherwise, though it's impossible to say by how much.
I don't even own a car. So that seems unjust.
- provolone 8y agoWe might have some common ground here. I don't drive and I don't want to pay for it either. For me the bigger negative externality is in foreign policy. I don't want any part of overseas adventures for oil. The financial costs alone are astronomical. At the same time, I do benefit from transportation infrastructure in terms of shipping and purchasing goods which are transported. But if it were my decision I'd say just privatize the whole thing. If a private road pollutes or otherwise harms anyone, then they should be liable. Problem solved. Lawyers have every incentive to claim damages. About the abject terror, just build your way up. You can do it. Once you try it you'll see that it truly is as easy as riding a bike. Back to your main point - it is not selfish to not want to ban petrol/diesel vehicles. I am ready to share the road with anyone.
- CalRobert 8y agoI am a confident cyclist. I used to commute 4400 mi per year from Santa Monica to Marina Del Rey via Lincoln blvd on a recumbent, if that tells you anything. Check out street view - it's hell for the most part. But most people are not me, and we definitely don't demand new drivers live in utter terror until they get numb to it. Nevermind survival bias. Dead ex-bike-couriers aren't here to give their view.