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Why judge on how someone else spends their time?
by cerberusss 8y ago
Why judge on how someone else spends their time?
- pjmlp 8y agoBecause this an illegal practice in many jurisdictions.
- cerberusss 8y agoIt's a breach of the EULA of macOS, yes.
- amingilani 8y agoRelevant EFF article: Court: Violating Terms of Service Is Not a Crime, But Bypassing Technical Barriers Might Be — https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/07/court-violating-terms-service-not-crime-bypassing https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/07/court-violating-terms-...
- comyesa 8y agoWhy do you care if someone does something illegal as long as it does not affect you? Really, we're not talking about an indie company here.
- pjmlp 8y agoAh the Robin Hood of software development! So it is only wrong if we steal from indies trying to sell their products?
- comyesa 8y agoActually I don't think making a copy of some stream of bits for my own use is immoral regardless of who's making the software or whether it's some indie studio or a megacorp. But trying to defend Apple from piracy is just laughable.
- pjmlp 8y agoI get that you don't sell software for a living. Looking forward for the next set of YCombinator applications with a business model based on piracy.
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- vbezhenar 8y agoThat poor richest company, how could they survive with everyone pirating macOS running on KVM.
- pjmlp 8y agoThe point is about stealing, not who about gets stolen.
- vbezhenar 8y agoI'll quote Richard Stallman [1] The supporters of a too-strict, repressive form of copyright often use words like “stolen” and “theft” to refer to copyright infringement. This is spin, but they would like you to take it for objective truth. Under the US legal system, copyright infringement is not theft. Laws about theft are not applicable to copyright infringement. The supporters of repressive copyright are making an appeal to authority—and misrepresenting what authority says. To refute them, you can point to this real case which shows what can properly be described as “copyright theft.” Unauthorized copying is forbidden by copyright law in many circumstances (not all!), but being forbidden doesn't make it wrong. In general, laws don't define right and wrong. Laws, at their best, attempt to implement justice. If the laws (the implementation) don't fit our ideas of right and wrong (the spec), the laws are what should change. A US judge, presiding over a trial for copyright infringement, recognized that “piracy” and “theft” are smear-words. [1]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.en.html#Theft https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.en.html#Theft Yes, it might be a copyright infringement in some jurisdictions or license violation or may be even completely legal. I see nothing inherently bad about it. If you blindly follow every law, sure, don't do it. Some people can cross the law in some cases.
- jcelerier 8y agoAnd it is not in many other. I'm pretty sure those terms are illegal at least in france.
- pjmlp 8y agoEULAs are only illegal in most European countries if you aren't given the opportunity to read it before buying the product. Hence why a couple of products now have an EULA subset, or the indication where to read it from on their boxes.
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- sigfubar 8y agoI recommend that you remain entirely unaware of the extent of my illegal and morally questionable activities. The movie/TV show piracy, the ad blocking, the software theft, and the KVM-based Hackintosh I’ve been using lately will surely leave you with heightened blood pressure. Also, I never stop at red lights when riding a bicycle. Oh, the horror! Somehow I’ve survived two decades of this. So wrong. Or you could learn to mind your own business and avoid all of that nastiness. Your choice.
- pjmlp 8y agoTrying to do street talk are we? I have seen better live. My own business is not having people like yourself steeling the work of those of us that rely on software sales. Steeling is only excusable when it is a matter of human survival, which clearly isn't the case here.
- sigfubar 8y agoIf you suspect that a crime was committed, I encourage you to contact the appropriate law enforcement agency. Until then, you’re welcome to stand aside while others hold themselves accountable to their respective systems of values. You call it stealing, I call it using imaginary property. I don’t force you to participate in my heists & capers, and you can’t force me to pay for imaginary things. Everything’s good in the world.
- dang 8y agoPlease don't start or perpetuate flamewars here. They're tedious, nasty, and predictable, and therefore off topic on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 8y agoPlease don't do flamewar here.