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There's strong animosity against the rich because some of us grew up seeing our families destroyed chasing the american dream while others grew rich off their m

There's strong animosity against the rich because some of us grew up seeing our families destroyed chasing the american dream while others grew rich off their misfortune. That and the constant attempts at reverting certain policies or actions that would make my QoL demonstrably worse.

late2part 8y ago
Really? Are you worse off then your parents?
- ionised 8y ago
  This generation is, by and large, yes.
  - manigandham 8y ago
    In what way? There are billions lifted out of poverty across the planet over the last few decades. Every objective measure shows improvement. What are your counter examples?
    - fzeroracer 8y ago
      In the US, socioeconomic mobility is way down, housing prices are up, insurance prices are up and wages have not kept up with inflation. We're lagging far behind some of our far-less-rich counterparts. These are all facts solidly backed up through studies over the years.
      - manigandham 8y ago
        In the US: meaning around 4% of the world's population who are all in the 1% of global wealth. If you're going to talk about an entire generation, then I found it disingenuous to scope it down to a tiny minority of the people in the world. Mobility might have decreased in this country relatively (although without considering the cause) but absolute quality of life has increased with iphones in every pocket, on-demand services for everything imaginable, and white collar tech jobs paying mid-6-figures in one of the strongest currencies. I have to again bring up the fact that this is on YC forums which have witnessed many people from many countries start with nothing but a few comments and build incredibly successful companies. Compared to the wars, depressions and struggle of prior generations, folks today are at a height of comfort and opportunity never seen before.
miscreanity 8y ago
Is it more beneficial for yourself to blame others or figure out how to improve your situation? If you're not content to remain a crab in a bucket, it might be a good idea to meet some successful and/or wealthy people and learn from them.
- ionised 8y ago
  > Is it more beneficial for yourself to blame others or figure out how to improve your situation? Part of improving your situation is observing where the unfairness in the system lies and addressing it accordingly. Legally preferably.
  - miscreanity 8y ago
    The other part of that is doing something about it. No action, no success. Of course, by the time you figure it out you'll realize that most wealthy people are not the evil sleaze we expect them to be and you'll take the same actions they do to protect yourself against destructive governments and financial regulations. It's sad that the perspective of those with scarcity mentality regarding wealth are often their own worst enemies.
- fzeroracer 8y ago
  It's funny that you immediately jump to an assumption that I am not doing well. The reality is that I'm doing fine in my career and managed to escape poverty for many reasons I've illustrated in the past. However what I saw and what I was trying to explain is that I saw my parents destroy their body (and in one case, lose their life) trying to improve their situation in a country that hardly gave a shit. I recall vividly the troubles my family had after my mother had a stroke because insurance companies decided that a stroke was a pre-existing condition despite her being in otherwise good condition. Maybe you should stop making assumptions about people based on our animosity towards people that have actively made our lives worse in the past.
  - miscreanity 8y ago
    Without context you'll always get assumptions. Part of discourse is establishing clarity. Of course a toxic environment makes life harder. Glad you're doing well.

late2part 8y ago

Really? Are you worse off then your parents?

ionised 8y ago
This generation is, by and large, yes.
- manigandham 8y ago
  In what way? There are billions lifted out of poverty across the planet over the last few decades. Every objective measure shows improvement. What are your counter examples?
  - fzeroracer 8y ago
    In the US, socioeconomic mobility is way down, housing prices are up, insurance prices are up and wages have not kept up with inflation. We're lagging far behind some of our far-less-rich counterparts. These are all facts solidly backed up through studies over the years.
    - manigandham 8y ago
      In the US: meaning around 4% of the world's population who are all in the 1% of global wealth. If you're going to talk about an entire generation, then I found it disingenuous to scope it down to a tiny minority of the people in the world. Mobility might have decreased in this country relatively (although without considering the cause) but absolute quality of life has increased with iphones in every pocket, on-demand services for everything imaginable, and white collar tech jobs paying mid-6-figures in one of the strongest currencies. I have to again bring up the fact that this is on YC forums which have witnessed many people from many countries start with nothing but a few comments and build incredibly successful companies. Compared to the wars, depressions and struggle of prior generations, folks today are at a height of comfort and opportunity never seen before.

miscreanity 8y ago

Is it more beneficial for yourself to blame others or figure out how to improve your situation? If you're not content to remain a crab in a bucket, it might be a good idea to meet some successful and/or wealthy people and learn from them.

ionised 8y ago
> Is it more beneficial for yourself to blame others or figure out how to improve your situation? Part of improving your situation is observing where the unfairness in the system lies and addressing it accordingly. Legally preferably.
- miscreanity 8y ago
  The other part of that is doing something about it. No action, no success. Of course, by the time you figure it out you'll realize that most wealthy people are not the evil sleaze we expect them to be and you'll take the same actions they do to protect yourself against destructive governments and financial regulations. It's sad that the perspective of those with scarcity mentality regarding wealth are often their own worst enemies.
fzeroracer 8y ago
It's funny that you immediately jump to an assumption that I am not doing well. The reality is that I'm doing fine in my career and managed to escape poverty for many reasons I've illustrated in the past. However what I saw and what I was trying to explain is that I saw my parents destroy their body (and in one case, lose their life) trying to improve their situation in a country that hardly gave a shit. I recall vividly the troubles my family had after my mother had a stroke because insurance companies decided that a stroke was a pre-existing condition despite her being in otherwise good condition. Maybe you should stop making assumptions about people based on our animosity towards people that have actively made our lives worse in the past.
- miscreanity 8y ago
  Without context you'll always get assumptions. Part of discourse is establishing clarity. Of course a toxic environment makes life harder. Glad you're doing well.