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I think that you left out from your otherwise awesome summary products such as the new Mac book pro, or the new Mac book pro with “improved keyboard and perfect

I think that you left out from your otherwise awesome summary products such as the new Mac book pro, or the new Mac book pro with “improved keyboard and perfect dust resistance”. From my narrow point of view I will try to repair my 2015 MacBook Pro as much as possible when it will start breaking down. I would never, ever, buy an apple laptop now, after about 10 years in which I was a very happy and vocal apple user. Honestly I have no idea how or why, but they managed to destroy their top product quality in a handful of years. Apparently they don’t even care anymore to restore it for the angry users given the ever growing list of the disgruntled owners of the new MacBook Pro that was supposed to fix every keyboard problem.

ryan-allen 8y ago
If you can get away with a desktop, the DIY scene is still good and strong. I have a PC that I'm pretty sure is coming on 7 years old. I've had to replace the motherboard but otherwise it's still a very quick machine (i7 3770k). I could give it another 4 years of life easily by putting a faster SSD in. Since I built that computer I have had bought and sold 4 or 5 laptops for a comparison. For a number of years I have used 350USD phones instead of upgrading every 2 years to the flagship. Life is good! If you buy a 10 year old Toyota you can run that thing for decades and there'll always be parts!
- kristianp 8y ago
  I've had an i7 3770 for a while, it's still very snappy. I've had an SSD in it for a while though, definitely recommend one of those.
  - arvinsim 8y ago
    Even my i5 3570k is running fine all these years.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      I still earn money on i5 2400 as my primary machine. Over the past couple years I only upgraded RAM, GPU and put in an SSD (that last one made all the difference).
  - ryan-allen 8y ago
    I do have an SSD, but it's an old one. The new ones are so much faster. I used passmark to compare my new Ryzen 5 work rig to the i7 and the only spec that it seriously lags behind is in the disk. It's amazing how much longevity it has!
- torgian 8y ago
  PCs are becoming smaller even; you can make one the size of a PS4 now.
  - ryan-allen 8y ago
    Yep! I'm building an i7 machine for my brother in law this weekend using the in win chopin case: https://www.inwin-style.com/en/gaming-chassis/Chopin https://www.inwin-style.com/en/gaming-chassis/Chopin It's smaller than an xbox. The only major limting factor is the TDP on the CPU, because it can only house a small cooler (so went for a 65w instead of 95w TDP). And, it's modular, so if a bit dies we can replace it. If he wants to get a GPU 2 years from now we don't have to trash the whole build.
    - ryacko 8y ago
      Very nice, was thinking about the Next Unit of Computing before I saw this. I’ll probably opt for software rendering for everything though.
    - Lio 8y ago
      The link you posted says that there are no internal expansion slots. So when you want to add that GPU were you thinking something like an eGPU or new case? Just trying to assess this vs something like a NUC Hades Canyon.
  - vbezhenar 8y ago
    Always bought Big Tower, bought another big tower last year. It's good to have Big PC. So silent and cool. It's not like I don't have a place to put it or I'm moving it every Friday. Some things should stay big.
    - torgian 8y ago
      Big pc towers are awesome, but bad for the common traveler like myself. I move every year depending on the contract, and I try to keep the luggage to a minimum.
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alexanderwept 8y ago
Hear ye. I've been a mac user since the Kanga Powerbook G3 (1997 IIRC). The last Mac I bought personally was the mid-2012 Retina 15, and I recently got a Macbook Pro 15 through work. OS X has been on the decline since 2009. I've already had to repair my SSD in the mid-2012 macbook and it barks at me to replace the battery. My experience with the Macbook Pro 15 has been extremely underwhelming, I wouldn't buy it if it cost half as much. I recently built a linux box, and when my mid-2012 gives up the ghost, I honestly might go without a personal laptop for the first time in 20 years. The problem seems to be the insane focus on tight packaging and the domination of form over function. It used to be the case that the only 'trade-off' with Apple was the high price, after you ponied up the coin, it was fantastic. Now it seems you need to bring it into the mac store and shell out $500 for them to fix things that shouldn't be broken (or shouldn't require a expert with a box full of special tools to repair). At this rate, a stormin' linux box is going to be cheaper than one repair on a macbook - if it isn't already.
NeedMoreTea 8y ago
I figured the MBP stupid choices about repair and upgrade were well enough known and discussed on here to not need yet another airing. :) I'm also hanging onto a 2015 after a horrible experience with a 2016. When it eventually dies I think the only viable option will be a Thinkpad, though I'd prefer to stay on MacOS.

ryan-allen 8y ago

If you can get away with a desktop, the DIY scene is still good and strong. I have a PC that I'm pretty sure is coming on 7 years old. I've had to replace the motherboard but otherwise it's still a very quick machine (i7 3770k). I could give it another 4 years of life easily by putting a faster SSD in. Since I built that computer I have had bought and sold 4 or 5 laptops for a comparison. For a number of years I have used 350USD phones instead of upgrading every 2 years to the flagship. Life is good! If you buy a 10 year old Toyota you can run that thing for decades and there'll always be parts!

kristianp 8y ago
I've had an i7 3770 for a while, it's still very snappy. I've had an SSD in it for a while though, definitely recommend one of those.
- arvinsim 8y ago
  Even my i5 3570k is running fine all these years.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    I still earn money on i5 2400 as my primary machine. Over the past couple years I only upgraded RAM, GPU and put in an SSD (that last one made all the difference).
- ryan-allen 8y ago
  I do have an SSD, but it's an old one. The new ones are so much faster. I used passmark to compare my new Ryzen 5 work rig to the i7 and the only spec that it seriously lags behind is in the disk. It's amazing how much longevity it has!
torgian 8y ago
PCs are becoming smaller even; you can make one the size of a PS4 now.
- ryan-allen 8y ago
  Yep! I'm building an i7 machine for my brother in law this weekend using the in win chopin case: https://www.inwin-style.com/en/gaming-chassis/Chopin https://www.inwin-style.com/en/gaming-chassis/Chopin It's smaller than an xbox. The only major limting factor is the TDP on the CPU, because it can only house a small cooler (so went for a 65w instead of 95w TDP). And, it's modular, so if a bit dies we can replace it. If he wants to get a GPU 2 years from now we don't have to trash the whole build.
  - ryacko 8y ago
    Very nice, was thinking about the Next Unit of Computing before I saw this. I’ll probably opt for software rendering for everything though.
  - Lio 8y ago
    The link you posted says that there are no internal expansion slots. So when you want to add that GPU were you thinking something like an eGPU or new case? Just trying to assess this vs something like a NUC Hades Canyon.
- vbezhenar 8y ago
  Always bought Big Tower, bought another big tower last year. It's good to have Big PC. So silent and cool. It's not like I don't have a place to put it or I'm moving it every Friday. Some things should stay big.
  - torgian 8y ago
    Big pc towers are awesome, but bad for the common traveler like myself. I move every year depending on the contract, and I try to keep the luggage to a minimum.
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alexanderwept 8y ago

Hear ye. I've been a mac user since the Kanga Powerbook G3 (1997 IIRC). The last Mac I bought personally was the mid-2012 Retina 15, and I recently got a Macbook Pro 15 through work. OS X has been on the decline since 2009. I've already had to repair my SSD in the mid-2012 macbook and it barks at me to replace the battery. My experience with the Macbook Pro 15 has been extremely underwhelming, I wouldn't buy it if it cost half as much. I recently built a linux box, and when my mid-2012 gives up the ghost, I honestly might go without a personal laptop for the first time in 20 years. The problem seems to be the insane focus on tight packaging and the domination of form over function. It used to be the case that the only 'trade-off' with Apple was the high price, after you ponied up the coin, it was fantastic. Now it seems you need to bring it into the mac store and shell out $500 for them to fix things that shouldn't be broken (or shouldn't require a expert with a box full of special tools to repair). At this rate, a stormin' linux box is going to be cheaper than one repair on a macbook - if it isn't already.

NeedMoreTea 8y ago

I figured the MBP stupid choices about repair and upgrade were well enough known and discussed on here to not need yet another airing. :) I'm also hanging onto a 2015 after a horrible experience with a 2016. When it eventually dies I think the only viable option will be a Thinkpad, though I'd prefer to stay on MacOS.