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Depends on your definiton of bad, I suppose. Care to state what you think is bad? You linked to google maps, from which I can draw a million conclusions, none o
by drb91 8y ago
Depends on your definiton of bad, I suppose. Care to state what you think is bad? You linked to google maps, from which I can draw a million conclusions, none of them worth devoting effort to responding to without clarification.
- baddox 8y agoIf I had to guess, probably the dilapidated homes and streets covered in trash.
- sokoloff 8y agoDo you think the burned out, half-missing roof house adds beneficial je ne sais quoi to the neighborhood? Which of those houses would you like to have a next-door neighbor? Which of those houses would have the greatest positive effect on your willingness to move there, raise a family there, and invest there?
- anigbrowl 8y agoSome places were overbuilt, and it would probably be better to tear down the remaining structures, clean it up and designate the block as a park. The wrong approach to development can make things substantially worse for people who live in marginal neighborhoods.
- drb91 8y agoI base where I live on things other than aesthetics and money, like the people.
- crwalker 8y agoTaking the question in good faith, here a few examples drawn from the example above. * The neighborhood is mostly burnt down, derelict, or razed: think of the important stories in your life and where they took place, and imagine those places transformed, not into a high-end sushi bar, but cracked sidewalks and rubble. * A generation of home owners probably lost the majority of their wealth * The city lost tax revenue and struggles to provide basic services like streetlights or the enforcement of law.
- drb91 8y agoThis was not the lack of gentrification. This is the effects of unemployment. If a high end sushi bar would “revive” the neighborhood, it would only be because the residents were forced out. So what’s the point? I’d rather care about the people in the neighborhood (...which does involve maintenance) than how the neighborhood makes people feel. People live there. This lazy attitude towards justifying gentrification is disgusting. It’s a hard problem that deserves thought, and this is just classism. HN, your viewpoint is clear. Try visiting oakland! It’s getting more photogenic every day.
- crwalker 8y agoYou are confusing cause and effect. Gentrification is a consequence of improving economic circumstances. Decay is a consequence of declining economic circumstances. Public policies can plaster over this fact somewhat, but generally policies like rent control or CA's Prop 13 make things worse rather than better. I have visited Oakland plenty. It's a terrible place, due at least in part to bad public policy as described above.
- drb91 8y agoYea, I’m not buying that you need to kick people out of their houses to improve the economy (whatever that means to you...). Employment and gentrification are linked and cause each other. Please, stay away from the terrible cities! Would you go so far as to call them shitholes?
- matchbok 8y agoSorry, but gentrification takes decades. Nobody is walking up to a door and dragging poor old grandma out. Nobody is entitled to live in a certain community for a certain price. That road leads to a planned (and failed) economy.
- drb91 8y agoWell, if you’re serious, I can take you to people in Oakland who have been put on the street this month. They’re not terribly hard to find. I’m guessing you’re not. Finally, there is obviously a huge spectrum between free and planned economy. You can probably fill in the rest of the argument from here.