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I think that Adobe is finally realizing that their value is in their tools, not in their platforms. Photoshop makes lots of money and doesn't have a platform as

I think that Adobe is finally realizing that their value is in their tools, not in their platforms. Photoshop makes lots of money and doesn't have a platform aspect. The win-win strategy for both Adobe and the Web at large is to provide a killer Creative Suite that works seamlessly across devices.

radley 16y ago
Adobe doesn't have anything against HTML5 - they've been adding bits to Dreamweaver and other CS products over the past year. Like Flash, most of you don't use Dreamweaver nor Creative Suite so naturally you wouldn't know this. I understand that a large (if not just loud) portion of HN doesn't like Flash nor develop for it. But as such, what you're saying is inherently an outsider's perspective and thus potentially inaccurate and unqualified. Flash is different; it's not what you expect nor wish it to be. That's it. It serves a different purpose. For those that do use Flash, it does that purpose very well.
- snprbob86 16y ago
  I'm going to assume that by "you", you mean "the collective you of Hacker News" and not me. However, even with that assumption: I've worked with Flash before. I have nothing inherently against Flash, personally. In fact, I quite like Flash when it comes to its sweet spot of animation. I just view Flash as a means to an end; HTML5 is another means to a very similar end, so I don't see strategic value in Adobe owning their own means.
  - radley 16y ago
    Adobe has opened up everything that they can for Flash Player. There are only a few closed portions, such as H.264 video license stuff, that they cannot share for obvious reasons. Yes, "you" was a general y'all, not specifically you =) Edit: Question just came up at session at MAX. Direct from Adobe Flash Product Manager: there is a lot of code that isn't Adobe's that they had to license. Also, Flash Player is tiny/tight bit of code ( < 1 MB). It's messy to be very efficient. Finally, they have opened it up, but Adobe still writes 99% of the code themselves, so they're not encouraged to open it up more.
jamesteow 16y ago
Now if only they'd actually stabilize their products instead of adding new features that I couldn't care less about. There's even a new bug with Photoshop CS5 where the spacebar shortcut stops working if Firefox is open. How does that even happen?! Or how about Photoshop crashing when attempting to quit.
josephcooney 16y ago
Doesn't Photoshop have a huge ecosystem of plug-ins and brushes and stuff. Seems kind of platform-y to me.
georgemcbay 16y ago
Adobe (and Macromedia before them) has always realized this, it is the talking heads who like to analyze the latest Apple vs Adobe spat that are "finally realizing" this.

radley 16y ago

Adobe doesn't have anything against HTML5 - they've been adding bits to Dreamweaver and other CS products over the past year. Like Flash, most of you don't use Dreamweaver nor Creative Suite so naturally you wouldn't know this. I understand that a large (if not just loud) portion of HN doesn't like Flash nor develop for it. But as such, what you're saying is inherently an outsider's perspective and thus potentially inaccurate and unqualified. Flash is different; it's not what you expect nor wish it to be. That's it. It serves a different purpose. For those that do use Flash, it does that purpose very well.

snprbob86 16y ago
I'm going to assume that by "you", you mean "the collective you of Hacker News" and not me. However, even with that assumption: I've worked with Flash before. I have nothing inherently against Flash, personally. In fact, I quite like Flash when it comes to its sweet spot of animation. I just view Flash as a means to an end; HTML5 is another means to a very similar end, so I don't see strategic value in Adobe owning their own means.
- radley 16y ago
  Adobe has opened up everything that they can for Flash Player. There are only a few closed portions, such as H.264 video license stuff, that they cannot share for obvious reasons. Yes, "you" was a general y'all, not specifically you =) Edit: Question just came up at session at MAX. Direct from Adobe Flash Product Manager: there is a lot of code that isn't Adobe's that they had to license. Also, Flash Player is tiny/tight bit of code ( < 1 MB). It's messy to be very efficient. Finally, they have opened it up, but Adobe still writes 99% of the code themselves, so they're not encouraged to open it up more.

jamesteow 16y ago

Now if only they'd actually stabilize their products instead of adding new features that I couldn't care less about. There's even a new bug with Photoshop CS5 where the spacebar shortcut stops working if Firefox is open. How does that even happen?! Or how about Photoshop crashing when attempting to quit.

josephcooney 16y ago

Doesn't Photoshop have a huge ecosystem of plug-ins and brushes and stuff. Seems kind of platform-y to me.

georgemcbay 16y ago

Adobe (and Macromedia before them) has always realized this, it is the talking heads who like to analyze the latest Apple vs Adobe spat that are "finally realizing" this.