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I mean if they can't even comply with GDPR (that awful popup) they obviously don't respect their users data to start.

by tjoff 8y ago

bwb 8y ago
Ouch :), we did work to comply with GDPR and we are. We do not share any of your data with anyone else and never will. I am not sure why they are reporting we are sharing with a 3rd party as we are not, and I have a support ticket open with the popup service to find out why. We will move tomorrow morning to a new one if we can't get that resolved. I am sorry for the trouble there :(.
- tjoff 8y ago
  Harsh, yes, but as a user I have zero trust in a service that can't respect GDPR. And honestly, there is no reason to trust a service that uses dark patterns regarding tracking and personal data. If I were you I'd sort this out quickly and also re-evaluate why you are using a service that employs these dark patterns.
paulie_a 8y ago
While the creator replied saying they are compliant. There are a lot of services that quite frankly don't need to give a shit about GDPR. It's simply not relevant to every business.
- tjoff 8y ago
  If you have tracking on your site you need to give a shit about GDPR.
  - paulie_a 8y ago
    Why? If I am not doing business in the EU and not based there. I really don't care if someone from the EU visits my site and I am not complient. Basically most of the planet falls into that category.
    - tjoff 8y ago
      Common decency? Caring about your users? GDPR isn't setting some completely unrealistic standard, it is just the absolute bare minimum that you could possibly expect. If you don't want to uphold that and actively try to exploit your users for pennies, sure, go ahead. But most of the world would rather you stay offline.
      - paulie_a 8y ago
        I'm not saying I abuse or collect/sell info, I'm just pointing out that the GDPR is generally irrelevant to most sites. Most sites don't need to follow it to the T. But agreed they should have common decency.
- thrower123 8y ago
  Furthermore, there are a ton of users that don't know what the GDPR is and wouldn't give a shit if they did; they are just sick of clicking out of a spammy cookie popup on every website they go to.
  - tjoff 8y ago
    You only need to have the spammy GDPR popups if you do unethical things. People should be sick of unethical practices, not GDPR.
    - thrower123 8y ago
      I dunno, we're six months into this now, and all I see as a result is a lot of fussing, a lot more cookie popups, and a meaningless sidechannel on comments for every side project or US local newspaper article posted here about how they haven't bothered with GDPR compliance and are somehow evil for using google analytics cookies without telling people.
      - tjoff 8y ago
        Yep, it's awesome. Hopefully that will continue until sites adapt or die. You get an instant indication that you can't trust a site with anything of value. Also the changes in the industry are huge. Just because some sites have a hard time grasping the idea that the user isn't the enemy doesn't retract from the massive success that it is despite it being so new. Just one example is the many places where you suddenly are able to downloading your data as well as delete it.

I mean if they can't even comply with GDPR (that awful popup) they obviously don't respect their users data to start.

by tjoff 8y ago

I mean if they can't even comply with GDPR (that awful popup) they obviously don't respect their users data to start.

bwb 8y ago

Ouch :), we did work to comply with GDPR and we are. We do not share any of your data with anyone else and never will. I am not sure why they are reporting we are sharing with a 3rd party as we are not, and I have a support ticket open with the popup service to find out why. We will move tomorrow morning to a new one if we can't get that resolved. I am sorry for the trouble there :(.

tjoff 8y ago
Harsh, yes, but as a user I have zero trust in a service that can't respect GDPR. And honestly, there is no reason to trust a service that uses dark patterns regarding tracking and personal data. If I were you I'd sort this out quickly and also re-evaluate why you are using a service that employs these dark patterns.

paulie_a 8y ago

While the creator replied saying they are compliant. There are a lot of services that quite frankly don't need to give a shit about GDPR. It's simply not relevant to every business.

tjoff 8y ago
If you have tracking on your site you need to give a shit about GDPR.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  Why? If I am not doing business in the EU and not based there. I really don't care if someone from the EU visits my site and I am not complient. Basically most of the planet falls into that category.
  - tjoff 8y ago
    Common decency? Caring about your users? GDPR isn't setting some completely unrealistic standard, it is just the absolute bare minimum that you could possibly expect. If you don't want to uphold that and actively try to exploit your users for pennies, sure, go ahead. But most of the world would rather you stay offline.
    - paulie_a 8y ago
      I'm not saying I abuse or collect/sell info, I'm just pointing out that the GDPR is generally irrelevant to most sites. Most sites don't need to follow it to the T. But agreed they should have common decency.
thrower123 8y ago
Furthermore, there are a ton of users that don't know what the GDPR is and wouldn't give a shit if they did; they are just sick of clicking out of a spammy cookie popup on every website they go to.
- tjoff 8y ago
  You only need to have the spammy GDPR popups if you do unethical things. People should be sick of unethical practices, not GDPR.
  - thrower123 8y ago
    I dunno, we're six months into this now, and all I see as a result is a lot of fussing, a lot more cookie popups, and a meaningless sidechannel on comments for every side project or US local newspaper article posted here about how they haven't bothered with GDPR compliance and are somehow evil for using google analytics cookies without telling people.
    - tjoff 8y ago
      Yep, it's awesome. Hopefully that will continue until sites adapt or die. You get an instant indication that you can't trust a site with anything of value. Also the changes in the industry are huge. Just because some sites have a hard time grasping the idea that the user isn't the enemy doesn't retract from the massive success that it is despite it being so new. Just one example is the many places where you suddenly are able to downloading your data as well as delete it.