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Dependency injection is probably my favourite paradigm out there, especially in a statically typed language: for the reasons you mentioned, and for discoverabil

Dependency injection is probably my favourite paradigm out there, especially in a statically typed language: for the reasons you mentioned, and for discoverability with an IDE (or ctags). It is also a natural fit for “OOP”, or rather: classes. In a sense, it turns non-OO code into OO simply by storing the interfaces implementing the dependencies required by your code. If that’s your only state, are you still OO? I’d say no. (Not as it’s commonly understood: mutable state.) Hence, my proposed solution is: use classes & DI, but avoid (mutable) state (i.e. non dependencies). Curious to hear others’ thoughts on this, though.

spdionis 8y ago
Sometimes while reading/writing modern PHP it feels like it's more functional than OOP. It's definitely easier for your code to be pure and simple instead of becoming a stateful mess. To make it a stateful mess you'd have to go against many modern best practices. I think I don't really understand what kind of Java monsters people have worked with in the past. I will explicitly exclude legacy code from my previous statement, where globals, static calls with side effects, stateful objects and inheritance abuse were common. Now if only I had all the advanced type system features :/.
- conradfr 8y ago
  You can see the Java AbstractInterfaceFactory creeping if you do Symfony development (which anyway is an impressive framework and very well run project). Sometimes it feels Php devs have an inferiority complex and want to use as many design patterns as possible to feel like a real engineer. Two years ago suddenly everyone wants to add DDD or hexagonal design on top of the framework. Bye bye KISS, hello boilerplate everywhere.
pmoleri 8y ago
I second this. I think that a class offers a simpler contract than a closure or a curried function, with the difference that you use "this" to refer to the enclosed objects. However, the same keyword can be used to hide state and that can lead to obscure or unexpected behaviors.

spdionis 8y ago

Sometimes while reading/writing modern PHP it feels like it's more functional than OOP. It's definitely easier for your code to be pure and simple instead of becoming a stateful mess. To make it a stateful mess you'd have to go against many modern best practices. I think I don't really understand what kind of Java monsters people have worked with in the past. I will explicitly exclude legacy code from my previous statement, where globals, static calls with side effects, stateful objects and inheritance abuse were common. Now if only I had all the advanced type system features :/.

conradfr 8y ago
You can see the Java AbstractInterfaceFactory creeping if you do Symfony development (which anyway is an impressive framework and very well run project). Sometimes it feels Php devs have an inferiority complex and want to use as many design patterns as possible to feel like a real engineer. Two years ago suddenly everyone wants to add DDD or hexagonal design on top of the framework. Bye bye KISS, hello boilerplate everywhere.

pmoleri 8y ago

I second this. I think that a class offers a simpler contract than a closure or a curried function, with the difference that you use "this" to refer to the enclosed objects. However, the same keyword can be used to hide state and that can lead to obscure or unexpected behaviors.