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If I did live in Sweden and did have Bahnhof, could I hypothetically use my own router by a SFP+ or other connection to the "handoff interface" or whatever peop

by jtl999 8y ago

If I did live in Sweden and did have Bahnhof, could I hypothetically use my own router by a SFP+ or other connection to the "handoff interface" or whatever people call it these days?

Nullabillity 8y ago
Yes. In general fiber connections here use the "Stadsnät" system (municipality/city network). The municipality owns the cables and provides you with a dumb fiber/RJ45 converter. You hook up your own router (if you want to use one) to that. The only thing your ISP provides is, well, the connection. If you're unhappy with your ISP then you can switch from the stadsnät's website in ~5 minutes. Or at least that's the happy case. Cable (Comhem) and ADSL (usually Telia) are the same shitshows as everywhere else, and there are a few fiber providers (such as Ownit, which my HOA is stuck with) that opt out of the stadsnät system and instead trick HOAs into signing multi-year exclusivity contracts that somehow manage to make Comhem look good.
- Jentie 8y ago
  To add to the above, Bahnhof most likely in this case (10 Gbps), and only in a very specific case is this untrue, doesn't provide the high speed over a stadsnät. They themselves can act as what's called a communications operator/provider which allows you to use various services over dark fiber which is installed in your apartment or house. In the case where Bahnhof takes over as the communications operator/provider, you are essentially directly connected to their backbone and they can provide all their services, currently up to 10 Gbps. If you so wish, you can completely avoid any CPE or media converter and hook your equipment straight up to the fiber. Mind you, it's good if you're careful with that fiber since it is terminated in the last 20 cm or so completely without a jacket, so don't break it or damage it in any way unless you want to pay for a technician to come out there and re-terminate it for you.
tofflos 8y ago
I'm not 100% sure but I think so. There's a fiber coming into a wall-mounted non-wireless router. I think I could replace it with any fiber-to-ethernet converter and then hook up my wireless router to the ethernet port.
justinclift 8y ago
Interesting thought. If the "router" in this case uses standardised protocols and authentication (ATM?/PPPoE?) you could likely hook up a computer or PC directly, install OpenBSD (etc) on it and have a proper firewall directly in place. :)
- Jentie 8y ago
  No authentication whatsoever, hook up any device you want and go nuts. Edit: it's worth noting though that in the cases where BiDi is used, you'd need the appropriate BiDi module using the correct wavelength. Most CPEs use SFP with the correct SFP+ module already in, which can be reused.

by jtl999 8y ago

If I did live in Sweden and did have Bahnhof, could I hypothetically use my own router by a SFP+ or other connection to the "handoff interface" or whatever people call it these days?

Nullabillity 8y ago

Yes. In general fiber connections here use the "Stadsnät" system (municipality/city network). The municipality owns the cables and provides you with a dumb fiber/RJ45 converter. You hook up your own router (if you want to use one) to that. The only thing your ISP provides is, well, the connection. If you're unhappy with your ISP then you can switch from the stadsnät's website in ~5 minutes. Or at least that's the happy case. Cable (Comhem) and ADSL (usually Telia) are the same shitshows as everywhere else, and there are a few fiber providers (such as Ownit, which my HOA is stuck with) that opt out of the stadsnät system and instead trick HOAs into signing multi-year exclusivity contracts that somehow manage to make Comhem look good.

Jentie 8y ago
To add to the above, Bahnhof most likely in this case (10 Gbps), and only in a very specific case is this untrue, doesn't provide the high speed over a stadsnät. They themselves can act as what's called a communications operator/provider which allows you to use various services over dark fiber which is installed in your apartment or house. In the case where Bahnhof takes over as the communications operator/provider, you are essentially directly connected to their backbone and they can provide all their services, currently up to 10 Gbps. If you so wish, you can completely avoid any CPE or media converter and hook your equipment straight up to the fiber. Mind you, it's good if you're careful with that fiber since it is terminated in the last 20 cm or so completely without a jacket, so don't break it or damage it in any way unless you want to pay for a technician to come out there and re-terminate it for you.

tofflos 8y ago

I'm not 100% sure but I think so. There's a fiber coming into a wall-mounted non-wireless router. I think I could replace it with any fiber-to-ethernet converter and then hook up my wireless router to the ethernet port.

justinclift 8y ago

Interesting thought. If the "router" in this case uses standardised protocols and authentication (ATM?/PPPoE?) you could likely hook up a computer or PC directly, install OpenBSD (etc) on it and have a proper firewall directly in place. :)

Jentie 8y ago
No authentication whatsoever, hook up any device you want and go nuts. Edit: it's worth noting though that in the cases where BiDi is used, you'd need the appropriate BiDi module using the correct wavelength. Most CPEs use SFP with the correct SFP+ module already in, which can be reused.