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How is this going to affect how often I get asked to tip? I want to see less tipping, not more. Square seems to be one of the primary offenders in introducing b

How is this going to affect how often I get asked to tip? I want to see less tipping, not more. Square seems to be one of the primary offenders in introducing bribery to transactions where I don't really want to rate how much I was pleasured by the personal performance being put on for me. Getting coffee shouldn't be embarrassing, and don't prompt me to tip you before you give me what I'm paying for.

peterwwillis 8y ago
Tipping helps pay for a worker's living. If tipping didn't exist, the cost would just go back into the base cost of the drink. One way to get out of the embarrassment you feel is to tap the preset tip button and go on with your day. Tipping isn't bribery. If your barista is making your coffee differently based on a tip, they're a bad barista.
- Nullabillity 8y ago
  > If tipping didn't exist, the cost would just go back into the base cost of the drink. So the advertised cost would actually be the honest that you would pay for the product. What a horrible world that would be!
  - zaksoup 8y ago
    One thing to keep in mind is that in many states tipped minimum wage is significantly lower than hourly minimum wage. As low as $2.50 an hour. Tipping is bad for everybody, including the workers involved, but framing tipping as purely a response to “performance” isn’t always the whole story.
    - kmm 8y ago
      In no state is the minimum wage the employee takes home lower than $7.25 an hour. The employer can pay them less only if the tips make up the difference, down to $2.13(!) an hour. Of course, most waiters and servers end up making quite a bit more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage
      - zaksoup 8y ago
        You’re right that employers must make up the difference by law, and I’m sure that many workers with tipped wages may take home more than their minimum wage equivalent, however that is not the norm, and the tipping wage has significantly worse outcomes than the standard minimum wage. Regardless, my point was that tipping cannot simply be boiled down to “I am being guilted into paying for a performance” and is significantly more nuanced for all involved. Summary of relevant research: https://www.epi.org/blog/seven-facts-about-tipped-workers-and-the-tipped-minimum-wage/ https://www.epi.org/blog/seven-facts-about-tipped-workers-an... In particular, point 5 from the linked summary makes a strong case that a significant portion of workers making the tipped minimum wage do not receive the difference from their employers.
      - snotrockets 8y ago
        [citation needed]
      - pfranz 8y ago
        This is not legal, but often if you're a waiter/waitress and report you're making less than minimum wage and want to get paid the difference they take that as you're not performing well enough and will fire you.
- dandellion 8y ago
  As someone from a place where tipping doesn't exist, the whole concept of tipping seems crazy to me.
  - spilk 8y ago
    As someone from a place where you tip just about anything, it is crazy to me as well. I want flat, upfront prices.
- WC3w6pXxgGd 8y ago
  Tipping is 99% of the time guilt-based.
floatingatoll 8y ago
On many Square instances, when you choose No Tip on the screen, tapping New Sale after it says Done! in the top right will clear the “no tip” indicator. If they go into the transaction history then it’ll show there still, but that takes an admin PIN and is annoying and so no one will. (I tip, but that’s no excuse for someone else to suffer social pressure.)
snotrockets 8y ago
That's not how tips in the US work. In the US, tips are simply shifting employer responsibility for their employees to the customer. If you are in the US, tip or avoid business that utilizing tipping.
- tdeck 8y ago
  That's certainly true of restaurants and some other professions, but is it true of coffee shops too?
lyricalpanda 8y ago
This won't affect it because it's a merchant setting. What you can do though is complain to management and let them know. They can easily turn of tipping or lower the pre-set tip amounts.
sbr464 8y ago
Mr. Pink: “I don’t tip”

peterwwillis 8y ago

Tipping helps pay for a worker's living. If tipping didn't exist, the cost would just go back into the base cost of the drink. One way to get out of the embarrassment you feel is to tap the preset tip button and go on with your day. Tipping isn't bribery. If your barista is making your coffee differently based on a tip, they're a bad barista.

Nullabillity 8y ago
> If tipping didn't exist, the cost would just go back into the base cost of the drink. So the advertised cost would actually be the honest that you would pay for the product. What a horrible world that would be!
- zaksoup 8y ago
  One thing to keep in mind is that in many states tipped minimum wage is significantly lower than hourly minimum wage. As low as $2.50 an hour. Tipping is bad for everybody, including the workers involved, but framing tipping as purely a response to “performance” isn’t always the whole story.
  - kmm 8y ago
    In no state is the minimum wage the employee takes home lower than $7.25 an hour. The employer can pay them less only if the tips make up the difference, down to $2.13(!) an hour. Of course, most waiters and servers end up making quite a bit more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage
    - zaksoup 8y ago
      You’re right that employers must make up the difference by law, and I’m sure that many workers with tipped wages may take home more than their minimum wage equivalent, however that is not the norm, and the tipping wage has significantly worse outcomes than the standard minimum wage. Regardless, my point was that tipping cannot simply be boiled down to “I am being guilted into paying for a performance” and is significantly more nuanced for all involved. Summary of relevant research: https://www.epi.org/blog/seven-facts-about-tipped-workers-and-the-tipped-minimum-wage/ https://www.epi.org/blog/seven-facts-about-tipped-workers-an... In particular, point 5 from the linked summary makes a strong case that a significant portion of workers making the tipped minimum wage do not receive the difference from their employers.
    - snotrockets 8y ago
      [citation needed]
    - pfranz 8y ago
      This is not legal, but often if you're a waiter/waitress and report you're making less than minimum wage and want to get paid the difference they take that as you're not performing well enough and will fire you.
dandellion 8y ago
As someone from a place where tipping doesn't exist, the whole concept of tipping seems crazy to me.
- spilk 8y ago
  As someone from a place where you tip just about anything, it is crazy to me as well. I want flat, upfront prices.
WC3w6pXxgGd 8y ago
Tipping is 99% of the time guilt-based.

floatingatoll 8y ago

On many Square instances, when you choose No Tip on the screen, tapping New Sale after it says Done! in the top right will clear the “no tip” indicator. If they go into the transaction history then it’ll show there still, but that takes an admin PIN and is annoying and so no one will. (I tip, but that’s no excuse for someone else to suffer social pressure.)

snotrockets 8y ago

That's not how tips in the US work. In the US, tips are simply shifting employer responsibility for their employees to the customer. If you are in the US, tip or avoid business that utilizing tipping.

tdeck 8y ago
That's certainly true of restaurants and some other professions, but is it true of coffee shops too?

lyricalpanda 8y ago

This won't affect it because it's a merchant setting. What you can do though is complain to management and let them know. They can easily turn of tipping or lower the pre-set tip amounts.

sbr464 8y ago

Mr. Pink: “I don’t tip”