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Those people were caught committing a crime. And it's not the kind of crime one could commit by mistake, they were entering a country illegally.

by andun 8y ago

mynameisvlad 8y ago
It's not as black and white as you make it seem. Being in the country unlawfully is not a crime, it's a civil infraction. Entering unlawfully (through something other than a border) is a crime, when it happens, but the subsequent stay is once again a civil infraction. Most unlawful residents did not enter unlawfully, they overstayed on visas or in some other way went from a legal stay to an unlawful one. These people would not be committing a crime.
Frondo 8y ago
Interestingly, andun is a new account and seems to be a holocaust denier, based on at least one of their other comments ("purported holocaust death camps"). Engage accordingly.
- andun 8y ago
  Shut it down!!!!
dragontamer 8y ago
> Those people were caught committing a crime. Speeding tickets are also people who were caught committing a crime. Regardless, it is a new policy to put Adults who cross with children (even though many of these Adults are the parents of those children) into jail. I for one, believe that there are more humane ways to treat boarder-crossers who are crossing with their family. Sure, maybe put the lone crossers into jail, but if they're coming over with kids, then I'd hope that the judges / immigration agents / etc. etc. have power to show compassion in those cases. So yeah, put some of them in jail, and put others into other forms of detention that don't necessarily involve separating kids from their parents. And yes, I recognize that Coyotes exist (professional illegal boarder crossers who specialize in trafficking children into America), so I recognize that ICE has a hard job here. But a repeat-offender like a Coyote could be caught on the 2nd or 3rd attempt. I recognize that ICE needs a plan to deal with Coyotes appropriately, and that not every adult-with-children is necessarily the parent. There's a lot of ways to deal with the problem, and its sad that the current administration thinks that separating families is the best way forward. If separations are to happen, I want it to happen only to Coyotes and the children they're smuggling. We need to be careful to keep the real parents together with their real children.

Those people were caught committing a crime. And it's not the kind of crime one could commit by mistake, they were entering a country illegally.

by andun 8y ago

Those people were caught committing a crime. And it's not the kind of crime one could commit by mistake, they were entering a country illegally.

mynameisvlad 8y ago

It's not as black and white as you make it seem. Being in the country unlawfully is not a crime, it's a civil infraction. Entering unlawfully (through something other than a border) is a crime, when it happens, but the subsequent stay is once again a civil infraction. Most unlawful residents did not enter unlawfully, they overstayed on visas or in some other way went from a legal stay to an unlawful one. These people would not be committing a crime.

Frondo 8y ago

Interestingly, andun is a new account and seems to be a holocaust denier, based on at least one of their other comments ("purported holocaust death camps"). Engage accordingly.

andun 8y ago
Shut it down!!!!

dragontamer 8y ago

> Those people were caught committing a crime. Speeding tickets are also people who were caught committing a crime. Regardless, it is a new policy to put Adults who cross with children (even though many of these Adults are the parents of those children) into jail. I for one, believe that there are more humane ways to treat boarder-crossers who are crossing with their family. Sure, maybe put the lone crossers into jail, but if they're coming over with kids, then I'd hope that the judges / immigration agents / etc. etc. have power to show compassion in those cases. So yeah, put some of them in jail, and put others into other forms of detention that don't necessarily involve separating kids from their parents. And yes, I recognize that Coyotes exist (professional illegal boarder crossers who specialize in trafficking children into America), so I recognize that ICE has a hard job here. But a repeat-offender like a Coyote could be caught on the 2nd or 3rd attempt. I recognize that ICE needs a plan to deal with Coyotes appropriately, and that not every adult-with-children is necessarily the parent. There's a lot of ways to deal with the problem, and its sad that the current administration thinks that separating families is the best way forward. If separations are to happen, I want it to happen only to Coyotes and the children they're smuggling. We need to be careful to keep the real parents together with their real children.